Originally posted by fallen_souL:

And they still can say, 100% of the money ($13,000) only 30% went to the company, and 70% is distributed up the network.

Please lor... 70% split all the way up the network... i rather be the one taking 30% whenever a victim falls into the trap. I agree, in the end, if Mr HUANG decides to pack and leave, cos he "eat" enough money liao, see what those duckies and monkeys and clowns have to call their own biz. Yeah... consolidate all the oils u have and open a shop to sell. thats what you mean by your own biz then.

If there is this topic like one year ago, i won't be losing 100% of my hardearned money and savings. It true how they manipulate ppl. I struggled inside for 4mths. MLM is never for me. But sadly, i didn't know how i get myself brainwashed into this and i do not want to recall all the nightmares from it. While i was struggling, my upline will keep "encouraging" me and when i feel sick and tired of going down, my upline will keep bombing my phone asking me why never go, how important it is to be there. Once the six months is over, immediately, he treat me like a stranger. Still got the cheek to scold me! And even tell me i ask for it when i tell him i got depression. wtf!

I still remembered i got difficulties finding the $13000. Know what? They started to tell me, Give up lor, your dreams not important what, your parents are also not important, i think you are not like dat, don't prove me wrong, these words sting as i hate being challenged and insulted. I ended up borrowing money from teachers, friends, relatives. I landed myself in heavy debts. Not only that, i just started work with no income and zero dollars in my bank. All given to that $13000. And i still need to keep travelling and arrange meals when i don't even have a single cent on me? Joining BA, AAA make me realised the defination of broke, poor and despair. What 5 figure, 6 figure income? neh.... _|_

The only 5 figure income those ppl earn is when they cut 5 plus 1 and get the $13000 rebate. Kns. Its like getting own money back, what 5 figure income? The money cannot even be called earned!

As i said, i struggled in the network. As days passes, my bills, my insurance premium snowballed. In the end, all my hard earned savings, and insurance savings which accounted to thousands were all forieted. And when i grumbled, I was scolded by my uplines. >>> "man yuan, man yuan and man yuan" is all what you know. Whenever i share my problems, they will tell me my problems are nothing. I dun hear problems when u speak. I hear grumbles. Your mindset is not right. And so, the backstabbing started. They told everyone to stay away from me. The so called closely knitted network which i was attracted to, start to alienate me. I went there looking like a fool, nobody greeted me, and when i started a conversation, i was shunned.

Facing serious financial problems and such a network with such people left me disgusted. Couldn't take it anymore, i left the fuck-uped place and concentrated on my work. I am glad i didn't have any downlines under me. I started working like crazy to pay back my bills. And the feeling just sucked. I have to face long working hours, working for nothing as all the money had to be returned. I lost a good lot of friends who spread the news that i am in some MLM and dun answer me calls. even when i leave there for good, few believe me. Some even mocked at me. Oh well, fine, i still can live with this. But my parents' constant nagging about not listening to them, wasting of money (they know the full amount) and my whole store room is full of those useless, overpriced oils which no one even want to use. Looking at my failure, I lasped into a depression. I wept over my losses. My money. My friends. Trust. Trust from my parents and friends.

I never know the destructive power of this network. Although i gathered the courage to walk off, the courage to lose the money and time invested, its still better than "con-ing" them back. I am not a greedy person, I don't join for greed. I only blamed myself for allowing myself to be brainwashed by those ppl that joining them was the only way out for my family's financial problems. Now i only got them and myself into more problems. Pls, ppl, we need to let these stop. I dun want to see more ppl walking the same path that we have walked. It only lead to a cliff where u will be pushed down. And how many managed to climb out and stand tall?

I know how you feel. I think most of the people who have seen Bel' Air's true work also feels the same way as you, and even those who are still inside. Hope those people who are in Bel' Air are able to judge for themselves when they read this. Only themselves can make the decision.

Everyone has their moments of folly, but to learn from mistakes is what living is all about. Hope you will recoup your financial, trust and relationship losses soon. Time heals all wounds.

Believe me, complaints against Bel' Air had been lodged, to CAD. But too bad, they did not take any actions. All the conning that Bel' Air are using are really well hidden from the media and public. They hide the pyramid scheme by using the products as a cover. What really puzzles me is that their way of recruiting, and asking people to 'cut count', is really just creating a virtual network. In that case, it is really illegal, as the MLM act state that creating a virtual network is not in accordance with the guidelines. Anyone can help with that? Anyone try letting the media know?

Let your friends, families and relatives know about this company and forum, 'Pay it forward' , and soon everyone will be aware of it. Let the company die a slow and painful death, if the authorities cannot help us.

Originally posted by Enraged:

Hmm...maybe those who left can share why n how did u all 'wake up' from ba ?

What or who make u all realise that u are doing the wrong thing?

Pls share it and help those inside who came to read this forum make the right choice !!!

I am back . Want to thank all the people for putting their experience in BA into writing in this thread. What's important when you fall is to stand up, and do not lie on the ground for people to step on you. For that, I think those that landed in debts but working hard to clear, 3 cheers for you.

Hip Hip Horray! Hip Hip Horray! Hip Hip Horrrraaaayyyy

Tell you how I realise Bel' Air is a wrong thing to happen.

During one of their presentations at HHH, I asked one Marquis 2 questions.

- 'If I join, I have to ask other people to join and cut count too? Doesnt it mean that we need to endlessly recruit people to get a $xxxxx income? That means we have to recruit an infinite number of people so everyone can succeed?'

- 'Where do all the income come from? If you are not doing active selling, and claims that you are forming the net and harvesting the fruits of your work later, doesnt it mean that most of the lowest downlines are broke or indebted?'

She told me to trust in the system and that it will work.

I am stupid enough to try the Bel' Air experience, just to see how 'wonderful' it was. Now then I found it is mostly isopropanol in that thing. When they opened it on the spot, the two 4litres bottles, I realize something was not right. What they claim as teaching me on how to use it, was actually to open it so that the products cannot be refunded!!!

After her 'solid' answer and her 'teaching' me (of how to pour liquid into a container, ) I realize that there is more to this that they are hiding. They congratulate me on being in their team, but I could tell that most of them are faking a smile.

I went home that night, thought about it for awhile, and the next moring told my introducer that I will not join Bel 'Air, and will settle the payment of the "Bel' Air Experience" with her alone, not at Commonwealth or HHH. Seems kind of ironic now, the "Bel' Air" experience, nice name for my experience.

When I see what the other forumers who posted their experience at Bel' Air, I am glad for everyone who woke up from the false reality that FGN/AAA is putting.

Please, people who read this thread and are in Bel' Air. Do not get your friends, family or relatives into debts just to clear your own. The system will not work!!!Stop sleeping smelling the Green Tea aromatherapy diffuser. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Wow,

this thread has grown so much since I last posted.

Anyway, I am truly glad that so many people have found this 'little' post of Bel' Air and are able to wake up from whatever nightmare that may be waiting for them ahead. Saving people from suffering financial losses lol.

Kudos to people such as Forsakenbeing, SavedSoul, k2wanviet, Life2BfUn, crestfallen and concerned_man for sharing their experience with us. I am sure happy that such a simple thread like this can really help people to see what this MLM is all about.

Keep it up guys, hopefully more people will be aware of this company and realise the risks that they are taking if they want to be a part of it.

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Originally posted by ForsakenBeing:

in case some of u guys like to know how they train ppl to talk to their victims and the words, kind of topics they like to touch on... i had uploaded some goodies for u all...

Teaching ppl how to talk/share belair:

http://media.putfile.com/How-to-share-belair

Teaching ppl how to make phone calls:

http://media.putfile.com/phone-calling

So if u still think your friend is really trying to help u to attain wealth, listen hard and you will know what kind of game they are playing.

Hahaha, these are classics!!

U got any about loaning money from friends/ relatives???

By the way, thanks for sharing your experience with us.

Originally posted by i even more free:


haiz.... actually all these are the consequences of cutting "1+5" and greed...

AAA actually started with 1 challenging dick attaining the status of "dick" each month. Therefore, all monkeys under the challenging dick were made to declare how many challenging volume that his/her group will contribute to the challenging dick. For your info, the total challenging volume is a whopping 30millions PV, which is equivalent to [b]S$1700000! (correct me if i'm wrong, no good with figures ) !!!

Those "tua kang" / "tua pao" monkeys who declare a big amount will now have to top up the PV themselves if they can't con enough people for that month . Hence, creating all these pseudo "1+5" under them which any non-members will think that they are doing very well. These non-members will then be conned into taking up the "1+5" system which the upline monkeys will gracefully agreed to let them cut the "1+5" even though the prospect do not have enough money. The prospect do not know that their cutting date is according to the uplines cuting date and not theirs. Worse, most of the goods are not returnable...

So if you really think that B'A/AAA will promise you all the wealth and future, then go ahead and dump all your money inside. Its either you become a super conster or a super loser like me! (I'm proud of that!! ). The choice is yours [/b]

Hahaha, u are abit wrong in the money department... it is actually S$1666666.67 based on conversion ratio of S$1:18PV. Quite sad if a non-member joins and dunno all these facts.

Really very easy to go into debt. And I think the group must buy alot of lamp and oil to reach the S$1666666.67 /30 000000 PV. You sure the volume is so much?

On a seperate note, how much can a bank loan to, say, a person around early 20s with an average Singaporean pay ($1.4-$1.8k)?

I dunno much about bank loans, abit curious as to what they (Bel' Air) would actually do to 'assist' you if u are cutting cow?

Anyone want to share how they get the money for you? If u want to remain anonymous, you can send me a private message.

Originally posted by Life2BfUn:

Ya, in Chinese is called Ya Ge Dan. The products is from France, at Europe areas, they are using that as air fresheners. But Bel'Air did R&D of their essential oil which come out of 20 different types essential oil research from Europe, Asian etc... plants oil. As they claimed their prdoucts are good and go thru R&D by their Taiwanese professors hence are expensive as the products are very good "medicine". And they do claimed if you see Bel'Air products in the retail market and it much cheaper, it illegial to them as the member had sneek to sell it. Hence they disagreed with Lampe Berger ways of doing MLM by retail etc....

Hmm... then its quite strange that the shop was selling LB and BA products, amongst other perfumes. Anyone knows the real origin of this LB/ BA? maybe that shop was doing something illegal? There was nothing shifty about that shop though, operating in broad daylight. Also, I think Germans and French got a fetish for perfume, there was so many people there buying stuff like drinking water.

I think it makes more sense that first there was Lampe Berger, created and intended to be sold through retail. Then somehow the Taiwanese got their hands on the business, and the two brothers decide to sell them through MLM. (but of course, smart people know what is their real intention, don't we ).

Here's a little history I managed to dig up, from Mary- Ellen's Lampe Berger Store. The History of Lampe Berger

Maurice Berger patented the Lampe Berger in Paris in June of 1898. During the early 1900's, it was marketed to French institutions where hygiene was most important such as hospitals and mortuaries. At that time the lamps used methyl alcohol which gave off formaldehyde on combustion. It was efficient but smelled unpleasant.

In 1927, Maurice Berger sold the company to Jean-Jacques Faillot. He changed to ethyl alcohol which has the scent of Apples on combustion. This change moved Lampe Berger into the consumer market. Faillot began collaborating with great bottle designers of the period including Galle, Lalique, Baccarat, Saint-Louis, Sabino and Tharaud. In the 1930's sales reached approximately 20,000 lamps a year. Exports began, but had mixed success. Many failed because ozoalcohol was considered a perfume product and was taxed as a luxury item.

Lampe Berger suffered during WWII. Faillot died in October 1940 as a result of wounds he received when he was knocked down by German military vehicle in Paris. His son, Gilbert, succeeded him. To further the companies problems, raw materials became almost unobtainable, and then the factory was damaged by bombing in 1943. Following the war, production began gradually since raw materials were still difficult to find. The war resulted in a lower standard of living, therefore production of luxury crystal models were abandoned and the porcelain and earthenware models were created.

By 1973, Lampe Berger was producing 80,000 lamps per year And the company was sold to the retired industrialist, Marcel Auvrey. His son Philippe took over in 1989 and in 1992 he set up the first Lampe Berger subsidiary in New York. In 1998, Lampe Berger began the prestigious signature line of lamps by famous designers. They also began using new materials such as enamel, pewter and opaline.


Anyone know what happened after that? If it was once the French's proud history, and it shows up like this especially in Singapore and other Asian countries, I think that Maurice Berger is now turning in his grave.

hahaha, just found out something from my mlm friend...

Despite the Dukes that told me Bel' Air is different from Lampe Berger, my friend said both Bel' Air and Lampe Berger has the same Chinese name. She said they are known as ...

(han yu pin ying) ya^3 ge^1 dan^1...

Different companies but same name?

Anyone confirm this?

Besides, I heard the leaders of these two companies are brothers, and taiwanese at that. I went to Germany lately, just came back (world cup fever). There I saw Lampe Berger and Bel' Air products sold... in a fragrance shop.

The ...
lamps are around 10-22 Euro (around 20-44 SGD),
fragrances are - 500ml (20 Euro, ~40 SGD),
- 1 litre (35 Euro, ~70 SGD),
and 5 litre (90 Euro, ~180 SGD).

I would take photos, but the German lady did not allow. I asked her if they are used in aromatherapy, she said they are air fresheners... perfumes...

I think either the Germans have very cheap products, or Bel' Air and Lampe Berger mark up the price. If these companies are MLMs, shouldn't they be cheaper than market price? Since MLMs 'bypass' middlemen (they do not need wholesalers, retail shops...)???

And why the Europeans call them air fresheners??? Makes me want to laugh at either the Europeans, or the Singaporeans pushing these products. And I think I know which group to laugh at.

Originally posted by k2wanviet:
Originally posted by Sabelli:

Wah, this thread has grown so long haha. Hmm... if want to take actions, very hard. i think Scorpio76 once contacted CAD, but nothing was done. The thing is, they got products to sell and it covers up what they are really selling i.e 'marketing plans'.

As long as what they do are within the contact that you sign, they are by all means considered legal. Thus the recruitment or 'pyramid' scheme still remains hidden.

Although their means of getting people into this biz and hiding facts and figures, telling lies and faking being rich is more than despicable, nothing can be done unless the authorities bother to go undercover and unveil how many of these people are now in debt, bankrupt, and how many have actually earned money. And the failure rate and sucess rate of this company.

I also hate this company, alot. Because it makes me sick. My 'friend' also makes me sick. People changed so much do to greed, this really taught me a lesson. Maybe this really expose me to the dangers of the working society, and that things are not as they seems. (I am still young, 24 this year )

I dunno what you guys think, but I once cautioned another friend about this company (cos my friend knows him as well). All he gave me as an answer was that this business is do-able, if not why is it still around. As a friend, I think I have done alot to warn him about it. I told him about the lies they make, brainwashing that they do, and even asked him to look at this forum and particularly this thread. I personally hope that he is smart enough about this business, and even that he can tell my Bel' Air friend to come clean about it.

(Hey Aaron, if you are reading this, I hope you are thinking about what I am saying, this is not some taxi-drivers talking coffeeshop talk, this is real people sharing what they know and experienced in this MLM coy. I know by doing this, you know who I am, but I really dun fuking care. I also dun care about friendship anymore. Earning good friendships are hard, BUT bad friendships can be easily broken. As you can see, I am real pissed off about it. So just wake up your friend.)

Scorpio76 has not replied for sometime... does anyone reading this know of something that the Bel' Air people and particularly the AAA group did that is really against the law?

Can 'front-end' loading promotions such as '1+2+2', '1+5', '1+15' be considered legal? Especially since this scheme is actually targeted at the younger 16-24 age group?

Think only when someone from Bel' Air commit suicide or if the media decides to investigate it like the NKF saga then can something really be done. Meanwhile the only thing that we can do is try our best to let people be aware of this company.

Or if someone by any chance wants to contact Susan Long about it...
______________________________________________________________

Sabelli,

Below thread was posted by BrandSing who contributed to a Bel'Air topic started by me. It answers to your question about the "1+5" and "1+15" investment schemes promoted by Bel'Air.

Hi All,

I read with interest the commentaries posted here. I would like to share my personal views on this matter as I have attended one of those 1+5 / 1+15 seminars.

Please refer to the MLM Act Section 2(c) (vi), I quote

"A promoter of a scheme shall not, and shall take reasonable steps to ensure that participants in the scheme :

..
..
(D) in promoting the scheme or the commodity, use, or cause or permit to be used, fraud, coercion, harassment, or unconsciounable or unlawful means"

After the attending one of such seminars, I observed that there was alot of hype in it. (i.e. loud music, people sharing, lots of yelling, showing their pay cheques....) With some basic knowledge of human pyschology, if a persons' mind is not sufficiently strong, he/she may be swayed into making a decision which is not based on clear facts but emotions/ group dynamics.

So, my question is Belair infringing on the ACT by practicising 'unconsciounable' means to promote the scheme. Can the relevant authorities please look into it as we may not be qualified to ascertain it.

[b]Promoting 1+5/ 1+15 is basically creating a virtual network before finding the recruits. Based on my reading knowledge of some US MLM consultants, creating a virtual network is not a professional MLM practice! It is not a representation of the TRUTH of doing MLM i.e. Not all will recover their 'so-called' investment into the essential oils.

For your friend Aaron, I think you have done your part as a friend to warn him the dangers of Bel'Air. If he wants to learn the hard way, let him be. There is nothing much we could do.

Aaron, if you follow this thread, hope the information provided will lead you to making a wise decision. Many have regretted and we do not want you to be another victim of this unethical company. Take care.[/b]

Hmm... all I know about the AAA group is that pushing recruits to cut count or challenge marquis. If someone were to really investigate, I bet they will find out that recruits who start as a 'franchisee' is a bare minimum. I dun even want to think about how many counts/ marquis actually have a network growing under them. If what you say is true (with regards to the MLM Act), these people are really violating the Act.

I am glad that by starting this thread, some people like Savedsoul and Logic101 realise what a pyramid scheme this is, and are able to save up their hard-earned money or are able to not get into debt.

To those that did not join or got out of the '1+5', '1+15' scheme, no doubt we will lose some money , but at least we manage to cut our losses and save our time and relationships with others.

Cheers.

Originally posted by Life2BfUn:


U striked me to recall I've their last year NDO or MCC vcd at Orchid Country Club, need to pay for it, 3 pcs. Think 1 of it contain of their plan of a Duck explaining. (They dig out their past seminar video to burn) That time some of the group uplines thought can burn for their downlines (kinda save $) but the [b]Spinster Duck said CAN NOT! (She wana earn our $ )

U all serious a not? Dare to say, dare to take it? Sabelli, u our threat starter. Are u the one who reported to CAD? Can use a not, if U all really want?

( Some of U, dun jus say say over here, can say alot, if want action, anyone will do a not? DUN TALK BIG, No ACTION TAKEN!) [/b]

Wah, this thread has grown so long haha. Hmm... if want to take actions, very hard. i think Scorpio76 once contacted CAD, but nothing was done. The thing is, they got products to sell and it covers up what they are really selling i.e 'marketing plans'.

As long as what they do are within the contact that you sign, they are by all means considered legal. Thus the recruitment or 'pyramid' scheme still remains hidden.

Although their means of getting people into this biz and hiding facts and figures, telling lies and faking being rich is more than despicable, nothing can be done unless the authorities bother to go undercover and unveil how many of these people are now in debt, bankrupt, and how many have actually earned money. And the failure rate and sucess rate of this company.

I also hate this company, alot. Because it makes me sick. My 'friend' also makes me sick. People changed so much do to greed, this really taught me a lesson. Maybe this really expose me to the dangers of the working society, and that things are not as they seems. (I am still young, 24 this year )

I dunno what you guys think, but I once cautioned another friend about this company (cos my friend knows him as well). All he gave me as an answer was that this business is do-able, if not why is it still around. As a friend, I think I have done alot to warn him about it. I told him about the lies they make, brainwashing that they do, and even asked him to look at this forum and particularly this thread. I personally hope that he is smart enough about this business, and even that he can tell my Bel' Air friend to come clean about it.

(Hey Aaron, if you are reading this, I hope you are thinking about what I am saying, this is not some taxi-drivers talking coffeeshop talk, this is real people sharing what they know and experienced in this MLM coy. I know by doing this, you know who I am, but I really dun fuking care. I also dun care about friendship anymore. Earning good friendships are hard, BUT bad friendships can be easily broken. As you can see, I am real pissed off about it. So just wake up your friend.)

Scorpio76 has not replied for sometime... does anyone reading this know of something that the Bel' Air people and particularly the AAA group did that is really against the law?

Can 'front-end' loading promotions such as '1+2+2', '1+5', '1+15' be considered legal? Especially since this scheme is actually targeted at the younger 16-24 age group?

Think only when someone from Bel' Air commit suicide or if the media decides to investigate it like the NKF saga then can something really be done. Meanwhile the only thing that we can do is try our best to let people be aware of this company.

Or if someone by any chance wants to contact Susan Long about it...

haiz, so simply unbelievable. Now if I see any youngsters in suits, I think a part of me wonders if he/she is a bel' air-ean.

Think now singapore got 3 types of nationality liao. Singaporeans, foreigners, and bel' air-eans.

dunno wtf, cautioned my friend about this biz, but he still neutral or maybe even positive about it. (both him and I know a bel' air-ean ).

ya, anyway, if cad cannot do anything, the best thing we can do is hope for people to be aware of this pyramid scheme, and hope this bel' air thing die out on its own (lack of prospects), though I think its maybe not possible.

So everyone, ask your loved ones to visit this forum and my thread.

I want to add... I think, people that do all these, lose all their money, time and relationships, and still able to tolerate these crap ... really are dumb beyond dumb

Originally posted by remychan:

wow..congrats man..well
have u attended their morning lesson? chinese 1 or english 1?
i attend the chinese lesson b4 at boon lay, their office center.
mm..they must reach there b4 8, last comer will be penalize $10 and stand on stage. This let me feel that they are quite strict in training "business man"， the second thing, b4 the meeting, must do crazy dancing, haha..really crazy one, so every one read newspaper, the brainwasher is an old lady, do belair for 3 yrs liao, so they must share every thing as what they read on newspaper, this will imporve ur communication skill and ur business oppurtunity, and some CM, or clown will be scolded for not doing well and so so..well well at first i really think they have good education in training "business man" but in another way, this is kind of trick, teach u how to cheat ppl, how to suck ur downline money..

lol, crazy dancing??? wah, i never stay long enough to see any crazy dancing.
must get to boon lay before 8 am? thats a bit impossible lor, considering where I stay hahaha.

u must elaborate leh, haha, now i am curious. my friend never tell me all this, so spill it le. when i was there they keep pumping the chicken little (numa numa) music, so they do 'chicken little' dance?

Originally posted by SavedSoul:

I've terminated my distributor rights today after 7 days of "cut plate". I was browsing this forum last nite after my upline who brought me in, spilled the beans. The first thing I did this morning was go down to Commonwealth and demand a 100% refund. Need to wait for the cheque though.

I was duped into AAA by their professional looking image and power-suits. I will furnish more details on their modus-operandi soon from the first day I got trapped til the day I quit. They MUST be stopped! AAA is really a PYRAMID SCHEME in disguise!!!!

Welcome! nice name, SavedSoul

Thank me, thank me , i started this thread.

Anyway, here's hope you can get your refund back. Glad that another person see the truth. Ya, its a pyramid scheme what to do??? CAD can't do a thing, cos they got a product that they can use to defend...

Originally posted by Life2BfUn:

Those 1+5 associates, after that, they're require to look for 1+5 investors again cos more easy(like real, if so, I'll strike 4D or TOTO damn easy liao!) to help u regain back ur $ fast as they claim but... hidden requirements also!

And 1+5 plan, mostly are for "Rich" people out there! And some in a week, buy up for themseleves to achieve from C.M to M!

What for U buy up or invested S$210,000 to achieve to become already "M" but U do not have any downlines, what you earn....??? No asscoiates down ur lines, what SAI bonus U'll get--$000000/-. And there is a time limit, U need 6 months to find people to become ur downlines to "replace/transfer" those empty cows U invented. 6 months seem quite long... ahh... but dun mean once u joined U can start immediate, u need to learn their "cheating tactics" & pass whatever they requested U to know or change then can kinda really start, not that easy as it sound lah, pls... Change image... blah.... blah...

I think this is not right......

pay for books and files, and own stationery maybe acceptable...
$10 penalty for all those small things? where is the 'team' spirit?

... and is there a difference between 'full time' and 'part time'? 'full time' got a fixed salary??

and ya, I also did not know of all these things. Thank god I left without wasting more money and time.

People must really be aware of this company, not to get tricked by their so-called 'friend'

I also dun get this '1+5' thing, is it cutting count? and '1+15' is CM? wah where these people get the money for doing these.....

The whole biz is so fishy, yet CAD cant do a thing... haiz. Sure hope my other friends don't fall for the business. Poor brainwashed souls.

Originally posted by I love BMW:

i recently heard my friend become a marquise. u know what? he buy up himself together with a group of his friends! so stupid... spend $210K to get a position is so worthless.

if so good, bill gates would ready invested in long ago!

But how he got so much money to do it?

Even if he got 9 other friends to contribute... $210k over 9 still need to pay around $23.3 k each....

bank loans... loan sharks???

Originally posted by orange88:

http://www.box-one.org/new-2517455-4557.html

Hong Kong TVB report on this perfume product. according to it, the product is harmful!

See what specialists said about this product in Hong Kong TVB.

http://ifiles.tvb.com/ifiles/20001207/f_theme/voices/20001207_2052_01_56k.asx

hmm... this is lampe berger right? is it really the same as bel' air? can anyone translate what they say? saw that they showed the compensation plan and some smoke demostration. how harmful is it, cos i got burn my $1k stocks for some time liao...

oh ya, heard from my friend who works at a aromatherapy parlour... aromatherapy dun use alcohol to burn the essential oil, cos will lose all (if any) the good stuff in the oil, can anyone also confirm??

Also I want to add.....

If you are reading this forum and know of anyone doing this biz... pls tell him dun dream of big money by cutting 'moo moo' la...

See so many people that used to be from Bel' Air regret what they got themselves into... advise your friend to quit while he is still able to... dun wait till loan sharks hang pig heads on your door then react ...

Originally posted by k2wanviet:

I would be surprised if there are exceptions. They will tell the minimum just to get you to sign on the dotted line. After cutting Count, the uplines will stuff you with "promotional items", cosmetics or healthcare products which may not be refundable. Besides, they demand Counts to pay a yearly fees as a contribution for the rental of the seminar rooms. This will be told after you cut Count not before. If you decide not to pay the yearly fees, you would have to pay for the prospects every time you bring them to attend the brainwashing sesson.

Trust them and your money will go down the drain.

Wah hahaha. This reminded me of my dream two days ago. In that dream, I was asked by Bel' Air to collect my stocks ($14k worth of it) cos I signed the contract. I did sign something, but like a distributor document... but lucky I did not provide my account no., IC or photograph...

Scary sia....

Poor laurence82...

He/she got a point mah, said not caught by police does not mean its not illegal. I agree... like if i sell pirated cd in a shop or pasar malam, means its legal meh?

I am sure people selling those cds in the shops, surely had used some loopholes in the system, if not, how come not caught. Same goes for 'some' MLM company that I know of...

Life2BfUn, you got photos?

use Imageshack to host it leh, let us see.

Then can talk about them haha.

Actually I want to ask you, what exactly did you get for your RM2k?

A stage? 5 litre and some essential oil? You should get like a lamp (they called it 'diffuser') , 9 litres of oil, and some pure essential oil right?

Just want to make sure, dunno if you got cheated...

Originally posted by remychan:

My english is teruk, hope every one of u can understand.
Well well is my turn to share about my experience in Bel'air..

I am malaysian, At the beginning, one of my old friend started call me for tea(coffee bean), and what i knew that time, he is doing about "chinese essential oil" stuff and he quit his engineering job and focus on this carrier. So i wonder why he can quite his engineering job and right now can do this kind of business. At that time i thought that was very good oppurtunity if i can involve in it.

So next time having tea again in CB, he introduced his friend to me, his friend older than me 1 yr, drive a mercedes car (not big small eyes, that abit old fashion one), my friend kept impressing me that he can drive such a car, and he has so so many car and so so... so..start talking with him again, he analize that current carrier trend, current economy situation and so so....mmm...whatever he said, normally i have to agree with him and nod nod my head. So, this really let me feel curious about it, how can he so successful..and so rich.

So i went to do my international passport and intend to see sg to see whehter what kind of thing they do..and can be so financially freedom. At first i think about that is direct selling, i kept asking about what they do, but they denied to tell me. so after i reach commenwealth,i saw lot of nice car at outside of their office, my friend told me some of them only do for 2 month and they brought me to their stockie. oh...those are essential oil thing and those "stage".
They ask me to attend their talk, arh then i saw many ppl carry their essential oil and those aromatherapy thing. Em so i have to listen to their talk, and i kno w this is kind of MLM thing, i really do not interest about it. and i felt really headache after the event, actually i intend to back, but since i saw many old friend there, so ..after that we went for tea loh. arh..the Mercedes guy come tell me a lot of thing again..as if what other has shown b4 those policy. actually that time i don have any idea about it..but he can talk for few hours bla bla much thing loh.

After the tea was about 1 something, so i went back with my friend in yuo chu kang, arh..the place he stay really very narrow, not well tidied and so so..
the second day morning, they have meeting, so i do follow him to BON LAY, well well..that time my idea is to see see how they have meeting. em..so i think some one hav mention b4, they start crazy dancing b4 they start the talk. Well i can say that the meeting is really wonderful and good, teach u about leadership, how to communicate with others, good education...but then maybe that is kind of brain wash activity.

Em i only think of how they cut count then can earn it back with in few months? And my friend told me he has already earn back his cost. SO for sure i will ask them how they do it after cut count. The answer i got was "Just u cut the count , then follow our system, we well teach u how to do, it is no point right now u step into out system b4 u cut count." Well, i can say that , this is a good business oppurtunity, but then not suitable for me, because i don have extra money to do it. Well, but they kept on asking me to borrow from others, or use the current money (my money in back is for my house) and can earn it as soon as possible, whatever financial problem can be solved it easily. That time i do realll think of borrow money from back or whatever inoder to do this business.

Well, luckily i discuss this with my mum, she strongly disagree with me, and i have to think in annother way. And after i think such a long time, i decide not to do it, and i told my friend. My friend ask me for tea again, another mercedes guy come, they kept brainwashing me again..wow..really thanks god i don have extra money..or else i will step into it.

Em i do try b4 their essential oil and aroma therapy thing, andwhat i dulan is my friend ask me cut "small plate" and i do not know what his small plate means, and i tell him i just wan to try some only. Actually i quite regret that i did not ask for the price, and he did not tell me those price as well. He is very passionate to take those stuff for me teach me how to use. That time what i got is a stage, 5L , and some bottle of essential oil. So i ask my friend give me the bill, wow..it shock me that cost me about RM2xxx...money is not the matter, but then those thing i think not really worth that and those thing are really expensive. NOw i wonder, is my mistake not to ask for the price b4 i take those thing from him..ai~...so i pay him Rm200 monthly, sometimes i don have extra to i don pay him..haha, as i think so he so rich. my case just small matter..so he wont mind about it.

And right now he always call meand i avoid his call (from februart till now guah), even sometimes he use another phone to call me, and i picked it accidentally, he non stop talking again, ask me go to what event and so so...even he ask me go for SAT D&D, and event at night, come on, that D&D need money 1, so lucky i din go and really so lucky i have found this forum.
well, that all is what i share for every one, next time i will share about, how they date ppl..how they communicate with ppl

Thanks for sharing.

Ya lor ya lor, your story is almost the same as mine. you lost RM2xxx, I lost S$1000. This so-called friend... haiz, blinded by greed. Actually we should be glad that we manage to wake up and realise all these before we invested further.

Cheers.

Also wondering how the D&D went...

Anyone got go, spill what happened quick quick