Originally posted by exowraith:

Well if you buy a more powerful variant of the car you get more aesthetics like STI vs WRX so why would you need to get a new spoiler?

Borneo motors might be desperate because the top selling brand this year is Honda and they only had 2 months of sales that are above Honda. April and June which is probably the launch months of one of these cars.

http://www.lta.gov.sg/corp_info/doc/M03-Car%20Regn%20by%20make.pdf

Well if i were to buy either of these cars it would be the normal ones or the most is the Vios Sports. Vios Racing is just ridiculous.

erm.... dun get ur first sentence... care to rephrase???

whether BM is desperate or not... 1 thing is for sure... its trying to revamped its uncle image.... perhaps it has this idea for quite some time... and given the circumstances now... it seems like the right time for them to launch this...

on the other hand... if it really is desperate... it could have used other tactics like what $0 down drive away or instalment free for 1 year kinda bargains...

Originally posted by 4Justice:

"wld they garner so many unsolicited replies against u??"

lol n0x if you're so right how come so many people shooting you down now(aka unsolicted replies against you)? please lah. early on you anyhow shoot your mouth off already got lots of people see thru yr smokescreen. if you like embaressing yourself more, go ahead, all your "friends" seem to have abandoned you.

and oh yes, seems lots of people think the car is cock also, nullifi3d, exowraith, unknown_x being just some of them. You scroll back over this thread u see more people think its cock or not, and then tell me who's more spot on.

 

is this all u can muster???

haha.... seriously... now u seemed to be like the one grasping at straws....

why?? cos u haven even provide me with a good rebuttal.... and yesh.. u are like some kids bikering... "no u are not,,, yes u are... no u are not... yes u are... LOL....

u have ur fair share of pple shooting against u too....

and no... u still cant grasp the gist of things... the main reason why i am shooting u is... for not respecting other pple's choice... did i shoot nullified, exowrath and unknownx???

the answer is no... cos they dun go about calling other idiots for making choices which they themselves feel is right to them....

u shldnt have come back... u seemed to have lost ur potency... perhaps u shld change back to ur old nick... maybe tt will help... LOL

Originally posted by mh2:

the vios sport and racing edition is launched too close in a short time frame.

IMO: this is not wise. ppl will be thinking,,what this shit all about...

but i believe the racing edition is to woo the first timer toyota customer. these ppl are not so well verse like the forumer here ma..so when they see the skirting, kits whatever, they will be impress...and the SE boast a little here and there...then the customer will be inducted to believe " yea, must be a good 'racing'/'powerful' car le"...

ask yourself : how many ppl who bought their first car from BM will buy a second time from BM?? so i assume the majority of the customer in BM is first time car buyer.

so these edition is for them ...generally speaking...

  

 

you sure sprout nonsense posts after nonsense posts... LOL

Originally posted by exowraith:

this is a big joke.

is borneo motors desperate.

Thing about TS's is that they are Imprezas and Imprezas have the WRXes and STIs which have the same body and same kits. So the kits are kind interchangable.

Same for Merc, Audi. AMG mercs have same bodies and have more power but if you want a normal Merc with AMG kit it is interchangeable.

But this is OMG. The new Altis and the new Vios are just.... family cars. They dun have a more powerful engine, its just the same with the added weight of the spoiler, bodykits and the racing tags. I think its a waste of money to buy this one and you should buy the NORMAL Altis or Vios and it would be faster than these "Racing" cars.

toyota is not desperate.. why would it be... when it has the top grossing model and sells the most car year in year out...

why do u need a car with a more powerful variant so that u can upgrade the aesthetics of the car.... 

i am pretty sure BM's intent was nv to portray it as a faster car.. only pple here think thtat BM thinks its gonna be a faster car...

 its only trying to get rid of its uncle image to tap into the younger buyers cos they always only buy TS, lancer and civics....

BM tries... whether its a mistake only the sales number will tell... but now.. its still premature to tell...

Originally posted by nullifi3d:

Where did 4Justice mention he was a fresh grad?

4justice was a forumnite here... u have been here longer than me... u shld know better...

Originally posted by mh2:

one example of self fucked ness,

NOX mention 4justice is older than him, so how can 4 justice be a fresh graduate?

 

hey.... a seasoned self fucker calling someone self fuck...

4 justice is older than me... but cant be a fresh grad... now do u know how old i am??? obviously u dun...

and how do u define a fresh grad... did i mention tt 4justice is a fresh grad... i juz mentioned that 4justice should have graduated.. did i mention how many years...

F*** offf pls...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoTqRQ29Od8

Originally posted by 4Justice:

Last I checked, I'm not the only one who thinks its cock. What have I sidestepped apart from the fact that you're being pedantic for the sake of it? My words and comments are spot on, as many others seem to think so, my logic is spot on too. I mean, if you don't like to be called a cock, don't do something cock-ish. How is that warped?

Lets put it this way. Whatever coming out of me is going to be more constructive than someone like you who stay on to claim the scraps of "respectability" After the REAL respectable people like chris, tailslide, william etc have long gone. At least I don't lord over some pathetic leftover crumbs and play big fish in a small pond.

Like I said, if you want me to I can get some of the lao jiaos to come in and tell you whose argument is rapidly degrading, but if you wish to get to that point you better be prepared for some major embaressment and eat humble pie. Now who do u want me to get? Tailslide? Chris? Tell me, who do u want to deal you the fatal blow?  Seems you haven't changed much even after 4 years, Sam. You really want me to get Tailslide to come and tell it to you huh? Remember who couldn't handle a debate with good ol Tail and said he was tired, but is too proud and insisted ah Tail is also tired? Tsk tsk tsk  And no I'm not ah Tail before you jump to conclusions.

wow... changed tactic ah...  now come in and play this lao jiao game with me... again.. a new side stepping tactic...

last i check.. i presented a rebuttal... but after tt u juz resorted to name callings...

a lot of things are subjective... cock to u doesnt mean cock to someone else...who are to go ard and call pple an idiot who take pains to make their pride and joy look good...  furthermore.. the racing editions of the vios and altis did not do any alterations to the performance and tecnical aspects of things...

ur comments spot on??? says who?? says you??  

if they were spot on?? wld they garner so many unsolicited replies against u??

even i wun be so thick-skin to go as far to say i am 100% spot on....

what's coming out of u is more constructive...??? nah i doubt so...again.. a bhb reply...  pls dun make me laugh... u dun offer explanations and examples and juz make assumptions... and my ...do u make a whole lot of assumptions...

like how i am supposedly holding on to scrapes of "respectability"... u know me well?? no.... do i seemed like i am holding on the scrapes of "respectability" yes u say... so u jump to tt conclusion... pls.. i am not fireice... i do not need to be respected here.. i dun care if i am respected or not... my ego doesnt need any boosting... juz bcos some guy came in and say i am highly respected... and u direct this argument at me....

he can say what he wants.... but its not reflective of what i think...

lets not go too much into that super long thread btw me and tailslide...in case u think i am being a coward... let me juz say i did make a final last point.. but he din reply... if u are unconvinced... go dig it up... i dun have the time nor effort...  

and talking abt being a coward... my my.. arent u one...

if u say this is a small pond with leftover crumbs.. why bother coming back... and coming back hiding under a new clone name... hide behind monitor not enough.. still need to hide behind new clone...

and then u know all abt me and i know nothing abt u... i am so scared... then argue until nothing to argue go and dig up my past to come and shoot me....and reveal my name... and say ur old grandfather stories abt some super lao jiao tt was more repected than me... like i care who is being respected or not... 

plus... somemore need to call back lao jiaos to finish me off... another act of cowardice and i must say... is utmost childish...

u think what... u all chup 1 gang.. then u kenna bully need to call hia tee ah...

pls i know u are older than me.. but u sure is acting like a child... those pple like tailslide.. they have outgrown this place( or u like to put it as gave up on this place).... they have proper jobs outside and is bz... pls dun waste their time on this kinda mundane ongoings in the forum....

but then again... if u wanna get them back.. by all means.... go ahead... i am waiting...

and i can go on and on with u and create another 11 page thread... no problem...

sigh... look where this argumment is going....it juz slowly degrades and digress to a show of ur so called "poweress"....

oh and btw.. u shld have graduated... so free?? unemployed???

 

www.streetdirectory.com

Originally posted by Beaten_And_Damned:

Wow. The Dyno chart itself tells alot! (: thanks. Im kinda stuck with a K230UB, 0405, N113CRB and C751B .NOT i own them.  until i get my driving license. Its two more years to go. ugh. cant wait for the test.

alle

Agree on the idling. The 2.5 L is quite a beast although its fuel economy is average.With sky high prices now.

 

mm Alle and n0x, which car out of the three would you choose?

 

 

bmw 325i... juz like it... dun ask me why... LOL

but if no money for tt i will go for the is250 next....

dun really liked the c class.. still feels boxy to me....

Originally posted by 4Justice:

Me? Get a life? But I have on, while you prattle away angrily about some loserish poseurs getting slammed for being retards.

I'm sorry, look closely, the idiots are idiots. And good news, you seem to be solidly on your way to joining the international society of idiots.

ah.... u know when the argument is degrading... when u resort to juz names calling in ur latest post against me....

and why do u resort to names calling... cos u are conveniently side steping everything i have said against u...

ur choice of words and comments... ur warped logic... ur wrong picture in ur inspiration poster...

looks like ultimately.. u are the one grasping at straws...

u certainly have the makings of mh2...

i rest my case.. cos i know nothing constructive is gonna come out of u now... LOL

Originally posted by Beaten_And_Damned:

sorry for late reply

 

mm i see.Although the SAAB 2.0t is nearer to performance as these two.. ugh. its 138k price demand turns me off. but its torque avaiblity from just above 2000 rpm is quite intriguging.

 

So far. although the BM and IS250 are the only naturally aspirated, the BM being the Inline 4 and the IS a 6 cyl, i would rather go for torque.although no la.. balance of torque and horsepower

 

imho the IS250 is the best. Engine is very smooth and refined, no grunt. lawl. My 2nd Auntie has it after trading in her SS(Swift Sport) and i had a chance to test drive the car. lack of head and leg room behind! Major turn off for big sized people.

is250 utilizes NA engine.... but its torque output is almost as flat as the turbocharged saab's... better still... while the saab uses front wheel drive... is250 uses rear wheel drive...

if u r interested... i happen to have the dyno chart of the is250 engine...

graph on the right is the engine being used in is250...

and fyi... the mark x uses the same engine... and with a gs300 platform..so perhaps u might want to consider tt car too...

but i do agree tt lack of room is a general complain of is250 owners....

so perhaps u might want to look at the bmw or the merc...

Originally posted by nullifi3d:

Blame BM's Marketing team; its them arses that make marketers like me look bad on a global scale.

I wonder who actually agreed to put the term "Racing" and "Altis/Vios" together in their marketing strategy.

I think before we lambast the cars themselves we ought to know its the orgy of stupidity and bland creative thinking that gave birth to the so-called Racing editions of these Toyota models.

i feel that... if i were from the mgt of BM... it wun feel good to have me losing my market share consistently to cars like lancer or civic cos my cars have the uncle image....

so this is BM's way of trying to win back more market share....

and the choice is the consumer's... whatever choice they make... its not up to us to judge...

 

 

Originally posted by mh2:

this phrase is sexy. but look where is NOX now? slipping off the thread already...

hahaha.

well well well...

mr oprtunistic get-backer.... in an act of cowardice agian

cos u know u too buay gan to come at me alone right...

if u hvae nothing to offer to this argument... stfu pls....

i let u in on a tip.. dun say dun have...LOL

continue to let rip on mistubishimotors... and 4justice will come at u .....

u juz try... i wld love to see...

Originally posted by 4Justice:

If it ain't a performance car, please don't bother. If you went out in public dressed like an idiot, people are going to think you're one. If you dress your car up like an idiot, why shouldn't people be allowed to say you're one?

If anybody want to do it, have some balls and take the criticism for doing something daft and poseurish. If they can't hack it, simple solution. Don't do it.

"and yes... i DO care if the poster's picture is an EG6

it will be absurd if u put a lamborghini picture here and says EG6 drifting..."

Did I put a lambo? No. Did I put a honda? Yes. Do we care if its not an EG6 HONDA? No. My my, you're really grasping at straws with that one. How laughable.

I'm sorry, did I spout nonsense? Saying that a racing vios is poseur, pointless, and stupid is hardly nonsense. If I said "hey that toyota looks good in that kit" now, THAT'd be nonsense

I'm sorry but I couldn't care less if people r offended that I think the altis n vios are shit. Good for you if you use it as it's intended: as a means of transport. Bad for you if you think you're the next takumi fujishite.

And yes, EVERYONE's shit smells. Your logic simply continues to amaze me. If someone as off their rocker as you  is "well respected in the forums" as FocusST so laughably said, its no wonder the truely respectable lao jiaos like Chris, William and others have abandoned this forums.

if its not a race car dun bother... what's wrong with pple doing up their pride and joy...if they arnt going ard in their pimped up ride with inflated egos and crashing into things... let them  be
your theory is warped... its akin to saying.. if you aint a model... dun bother to dress up.. juz go out in pjs....
and so now you are saying.. if you are making some shitty inspirational poster and if it involves cars... as long as the marque is the same... its alrights
so i can put for an eg6.. a nsx or an s2000 and it will be alright?? pls....
then u say i am grasping at straws and say tt its too far off.. so pray tell.. where is the limit to the deviation???
and no.. saying the thing is ugly is not nonsense.. u are still not getting the point.. hmm.. slow
when u said that pple who buy the rides are idiots... that is nonsense... everyone's entitlted to their chocie... pple might juz be looking for a form of transport to get them from  A to B abeit slightly sportier(to them at least)
they might not be thinking that they are takumi whatever.....
i might be off my rockers... whatever u put it.. and i dun care if i get respected here or not...
but ur logic aint making much sense either...
whatever ur reasons for being a clone of a past member of sgforums..... and come it and spread ur lao jiao story... i aint interested...and i think u are pretty bo liaoz to do it...
i think u shld get a life...

 

Originally posted by 4Justice:

Aww why? It's fun to see illogical fanboys fail as they try to defend some worthless piece of crap.

"who are u to say pple's shit smell... u own their shit?? u own them?? everyone has their own preference.. dun be a cb and anyhow say people's shit smells..."

Some people's logic are teh lose.  I'll bet he fails to get the meaning of that parody too!

so u saying all cars offered by toyota are worthless pieces of shi*??? u sure hell is offending a lot of pple here....

yesh.. pple's shit smell... especially if its coming from u...

pls dun not liken doing up ur car to shit or crimes...

dun come up with more anolgies.. u arent making it right...

Originally posted by 4Justice:

blah blah blah. Small angry man, you're hilarious! someone is a toyota fanboy eh? Like i said, don't want to go to jail, don't commit crimes. Don't want to look like an idiot, don't be a cock and put shit on your car. Nobody needs to own your crappy car to think you look like a cock. You're a bit naive aren't you? Did your parents just let you onto the internet today? =)

Heres an example of how the caption doesn't refer to the picture SPECIFICALLY. Nice work for missing that very important word out by the way, do you always miss out on the important bits and misinterpret, or are you just stupid? =) Mommy didn't drop you on your head as a kid did you? But here we go:

 

Is that actually an EG6? Who knows. Is it a honda? Yes. Is an EG6 a honda? Yes. Do we get the point of the poster? Yes. Do we care if it isn't actually an EG6? No. Do we think you're stupidly pedantic and grasping at straws? Yes. Now go play with the kids of your age and stop trying to take on the adults. Bye ^^

nope i am not a toyota fanboy... but i can tell tt u are definately biased towards toyota...

and u likened putting spoilers and sideskirts on a car to commiting a crime...

pple all over the world put these things on their cars for aesthetic purposes or performance purposes... u telling me they are all idiots???

and pray tell... why are they considered idiots... what kinda warped logic izzit coming from u....

and yes... i DO care if the poster's picture is an EG6

it will be absurd if u put a lamborghini picture here and says EG6 drifting...

look.. u are the one grasping at straws.. not me...

i am not through with u.. u come in as a misinformed and sprouting nonsense.. u better clean up this act b4 u say bye.. dun be a pus*y and leave now...

Originally posted by 4Justice:

Please those rims are not even nice.

They frankly look terrible, both the Altis and Vios. The wheels are too small for a start. Even supermarket trolleys look better.

rims small or not nice cannot change????

must remain stock??

look... ur comments are not even justificable and are juz biased flames aimed at toyota the brand itself...

so now how???

more ugly motivational posters abt my posts???

pls they are god damn f*cking ugly... dun be a rip off.. have some creativity....

 

Originally posted by 4Justice:

"by ur statements here... u are saying tt pple who buy vios and TSes and lancers then go put side skirts and front lips huge spoilers are idiots??"

1) Yes they are. Idiots and poseurs. Don't want to go to jail? Don't commit a crime. Don't want to be called a poseur or idiot? Don't do something like that.  Simple logic.

"and btw... the picture in ur poster is not an altis... is a vios... so.. who's the idiot now..."

Read thread title: Altis/Vios Racing Edition. =) And also point out where I said that the car in the pic IS an altis? I said Epic Fail = when a crap car like the Altis is fitted with cheap looking crap and you buy it. The picture is another example of when a Vios is fitted with cheap looking crap and you buy it. This thread, notice, is for both the Altis and Vios. So I guess the idiot is you for failing to realise 1) that the thread is for both models 2) The caption of demotivational posters don't always refer to the pictures specifically.

New poster coming up!

who are u to call pple who do up their cars idiots... u own their cars?? u own them?? everyone has their own preference.. dun be a cb and anyhow call pple an idiot..

oh... so now u come and say tt caption of demotivational posters dun always refer to pictutres specifically... then what for put the picture??? of cos I DID notice is for both models...

i think its more suspect tt you mis intepreted the picture than i misread the thread title...

and btw.. practice some creativity pls... dun copy other pple's motiviational poster template and use it ad nauseum on all things... and ugly and meaningless too...

Originally posted by 4Justice:

The car's wheels are so small and wrongly proportion that even a blind person knows this has got as much to do with racing as a chest of cheap flatpack drawers from Ikea does. A set of bodykit makes it racing NOT.

Only idiots and poseurs who have no idea what motorsports really is would buy this car. I know that carbage has been in existance for years but rare is it when it comes as carbage new from the dealer LOL

as much as its ugly... it doesnt deserve the slamming that u dealt out...

by ur statements here... u are saying tt pple who buy vios and TSes and lancers then go put side skirts and front lips huge spoilers are idiots??

look... pple are known to buy vioses and altis and then do up... now BM is doing up the car for them prior to purchase... is an alternative to the usual practice...

and btw... the picture in ur poster is not an altis... is a vios... so.. who's the idiot now...

Originally posted by nightsky87:

And so is Merc with AMG kits, rims, etc etc.. But Audi or Merc never advertise them as 'racing' or 'sport' 'Victory-spec' 'Spec Racing' 'Type Racing', etc and everyone knows that having S-line or AMG kits won't neccesarily make your car any faster, only look better, and those kits do not come cheap as well.

But Altis and Vios tag on the term 'Racing', which implies performance upgrades, which is in actual fact a myth as all they did was to tack on a bodykit and sports pedals, and I believe the bodykit will actually add weight, making the car slower. 

As for Subaru TS-es.. well everyone has their own opinions, but some, i stress some, of these TS do have reasonable upgrades such as carbonfibre bonnets / boot, aftermarket headers / extractors / exhaust, coilovers, etc, which will make the car faster. By how fast is debatable, but you cannot deny the fact that all these mods do make the car slightly faster as compared to stock.

u can argue tt the term 'racing' implies performance upgrades... but different pple reads it differently...

however when i first saw it... it din cross my mind at all tt the car's performance will be any better... i knew instantly tt its juz an aesthetic upgrade...

Originally posted by nullifi3d:

Honestly; what performance upgrades can they do to justify the "racing" edition labels?

 

audi also has a similar scheme called the s-line... side skirts.. wider rims... front lips... but underneath its still FF and same engine...

and ah bengs also have their own "racing" edition.. front bonnet air scoop.. huge spoilers... side skirts.... with 1.6 litre engine and rear drums in the impreza....

Originally posted by mh2:

if u make a car that fantastic to beat corolla, isnt it to surpass it in terms of sales.

then for what , novetly ar. wake up bro.

wah buay tahan i must chup ji ka.... LOL

of cos it has to say a corolla beater lah... then what else can it say.. of cos the company must be confident of their product... but talk is cheap

of cos they want it to surpass corolla in terms of sales( which car maker doesnt).. but izzit technically superior?? u their chief engineer?? is their marketing tactic power enough so much so tt pple's mindset is changed???

if they using this tagline.. i think it will fall flat... unless it is used on cum gong consumers like u lah.. then u believe everything they say...

cos i dunno lah... mabye ur car now is korean then u think everything korean is good... then u dun like mitsu so everything from them is lousy...

only a biased f**k like u will say this kinda thing..

get a life..

http://www.streetdirectory.com

http://www.map.gov.sg/

take ur pick... u will solicit faster and better response from there instead of here...

 

Originally posted by nightsky87:

Think TS confuse Continuously Variable Transmission with Variable Valve Timing.. Well the avante may beat the corolla in many many aspects.. but still very very far from beating the sales of the corolla.. lol.

TS is confused over a lot of things.....