Originally posted by Ariedartin:

No nerfing. F-35 is part of an international JSF program and had international participation throughout its development. We get the same product, but less expertise since we weren't the ones building and testing it.

Singapore did say we could procure up to 100 units, but remember it's just an upper limit. We only have 22 F-16 interceptors and 45 F-5s that could be replaced for the interceptor role by the F-35A (the other variants are designed to be carrier-based.). Then again, this being a multi-role fighter, the RSAF might have more in store for the aircraft.

In any case, it means more pilot vocations available in the future.

Officially we have procured 62 F-16C/D fighters from 1998-2004. These are true multirole fighters fully capable of ground attack / strike and not limited to a pure interceptor role. Earlier F-16A/Bs procured in the 1980s have already been withdrawn from the inventory and passed on to Thailand. Perhaps you took into account only the last batch of F-16s bought in 2004 under Peace Carvin IV which numbered 20 warplanes in total.

Regarding the F-5 the number you quoted is closer. The RSAF officially possesses 53 of these upgraded to F-5S/T standard.

All open domain information so no worries.

Sigh. I logged in to see this one fine morning.

Thread closed.

But I'll leave this thread open. After all, some bad? humour every now and then never did hurt anyone

I have seen my share of humour but this one takes the cake.

Will post the above ASAP and make it sticky.

If you want to post anti-Singaporean, anti-Malaysian or even anti-Armenian or anti-Georgian threads for that matter, please kindly stay away.

We do not need people to continue to smear the reputation of this subforums, or pose an irritation to others, or worse still  to implicate others.

Pls refrain from country to country war scenarios, otherwise I will have no choice but to close this thread.

Examples of statements that one should refrain from:

"Country X will surely whack Country Y's air force cos it has so many more F-22s"

"20 planes vs 100, how to fight?"

"They surely die one la, maintainance so bad, personnel will be caught with their pants down in a surprise attack"

"Country X people are lazy good for nothing idiots, and they so poor some more, got air force meh?"

"LOL launch one missile they all die le"

I am sure many of us us here have seen many more of such meaningless statements that obviously show a lack of understanding of real world issues and that many underlying factors actually play a part in the outcome of any potential conflict.

This is a forum for meaningful discussion for militarynuts, not some chit chat session. If you want to post crap, go to chit chat.

So please limit yourselves to a neutral, purely platform to platform comparison. Example: The projected performance of the APG-63(V)3 radar compared to conventional radars such as the APG-68(V)9, the merits of each, and the detrimentals.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/swiss-kerfuffle-over-chads-use-of-pilatus-aircraft-04655/

I have long heard of the Swiss law prohibiting the usage of swiss-built aircraft, in this case the PC-7/PC-9 series of trainers in combat roles for export customers. Chad appears to be the latest "unknowing customer" which faces a lawsuit from the Swiss after the use of PC-7/PC-9 aircraft for light attack missions against Sudan.

With the RSAF ordering 19 PC-21 aircraft as its basic trainer, the potential usage for combat would be hard to materialize. The RSAF undoubtedly has more capable combat aircraft in the form of the F-15SG and F-16C/D but quantity is also a quality in itself, where the PC-21s could be used for light attack/COIN duties and sparing the former for more important missions.

Do you think we would still go ahead and tweak the aircraft for munitions carriage, despite the existance of such restrictions? After all the S211 and the retired SF260s are also capable of light attack duties.

Its ok to post threads on potential defects regarding the equipment of any countries' armed forces.

What is disturbing is the continuous stream of such threads directed at the Australians.

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Originally posted by fvwerra:

Yes. The Harpoons were part of the package which includes Mavericks,Sparrows and Sidewinders. The AMRAAM are still in storage in the USA.

According to some...it's not due to lack of armament but the fighters' on board computer can't be programmed for offensive usage.

Even ex-PM Mahathir once admit this.

Will our Malaysian friends care to elaborate more about this.

Any insight by Malaysians who are in the loop will be welcome.

This issue has perplexed me for ages.

Several countries which have bought US warplanes have had no problems using them in attack missions. The recent attack on Kurdish positions by F-16s of the Turkish AF is a case in mind.

*Thread closed as per fellow forumites' requests

To: Spike_Jose

This topic belongs in chit chat forums.

To : Dr Who

Thread which insults TNI and places SG Forums in a potentially bad light to be closed

To: Protonhybrid

MEANINGLESS THREAD CLOSED

Originally posted by coolant:

That’s mainly because F-22 simply at this stage is far less capable in the A2G role than F-15E and its variants. F-22 has to store any munitions in the internal bay, the limitation greatly constrains Raptor’s choice of weapon. A role that F-22 can’t fulfill, of course F-15E is not intended to be replaced by F-22.

The F-22A is intended as a replacement for the F-15A/B and (hopefully, eventually) the F-15C/D if more are built beyond the currently approved number of 183. With 183 F-22As distributed among 7 squadrons, it is a far cry from the original program requirement for 750. The USAF would be severely stretched.

The FB-22 has been the proposed replacement for the F-15E but the status of this program is still uncertain. Its a pity indeed. Politics are the greatest enemy of any modern weapons program, not foreign adversaries.

FB-22 concept pictures below:

Originally posted by FireAndHell:

Well........some ppl here equate old designs with old frames and chassis.....even though these ppl call themselves educated......

Well said.

Sadly there are lots of such ppl ard.

Originally posted by Alphapunk2:

don't bother dreaming of singapore sending troops out. It will never happen.

If singapore got war. 1 person die surrender already...

Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:

I really don't think Singapore would send any troops to the middle east. Considering the amount of troops Singapore has compared to most other countries it would be a big mistake sending away troops because even with all their troops in the country Singapore would be totally screwed if another country were to invade unless it can get help from an ally.

My little boys and girls, pls go do some proper research before making statements like this. You all obviously have no idea and background information on military matters.

Don't make a fool of yourselves.

This thread should be in chit chat.

Thread closed.

Unwelcome posts in this thread are extremely distasteful.

Thread closed.

To: Chino65 and others, do not waste precious time talking to bigots.

Originally posted by FG42:

dun bullshit. they are license produced for the korean air force, not for the entire americans or sgp's planes.

koreans like to brag they could do this and that. their techs are far from what they claimed they were. they merely want to show off the the japs that they are capable of making "something" too.

recently korean people claims that part of chinese liaoning's changbaishan belongs to them. they even claims that paper were invented by them too. the most amusing one recently was that they claimed that they had invaded china and is on her way to make it into films, what kind of nationalism is this? hahaha....

personally, i m very skeptical of koreans stuffs.

btw, r u a korean?

Mind your language.

Originally posted by hloc:

It is damn childish...... as if war is won by photos of Hardware only......

I don't remember the Arab winning the 6 day War just because them have numbers and more hardware.....

Btw, at least the Arabs had a viable point to make in that they did indeed have vastly more T-54/55s and T-62s than Israeli Centurions and AMX-13s.

But this guy seems pretty proud of just 48 PT-91Zs.

Pics already posted before.

Meaningless thread closed.

Hi I have not posted for a very long time but when I saw your post I was so reminded of the situation I was in.

I have to advise you not to wait. I know the feeling is terrible right now, but you will get better if you harden your resolve to get her out of your mind. I do not want you to experience the potential heartache and disappointment eventually.

Been there done that. Waited for a year and a half and it turns out that she likes someone else. Maybe it just was not meant to be.

But ultimately, the choice is yours.

Originally posted by specialOps:

T-50 is a trainer for goodness sake.

There's no way it can replace the F-5 as a primary interceptor and a secondary ground-attack aircraft.

Maybe T-50 to replace the TA4-SU Advanced Jet Training (AJT) programme in France, where pilots selected for fighter conversion goes there for advanced training.

The basic trainer for RSAF just bought recently, is still too new for replacement.

Correct.

The F-5S/T replacement would likely be a more substantial warplane in the form of the F-35 Lightning II.

But the 30 T-50s, if bought by the RSAF, would most likely be able to perform light attack duties too. It was not commonly known, but the S211 and the SF260W(retired) fleets had the ability to carry gun pods/rockets/bombs for light attack duties in times of conflict, a far cry from their usual training role during peacetime.

Originally posted by sbst275:

http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/news_and_events/nr/2007/oct/22oct07_nr.html

Goodbye to the F-5?

The combined requirement as stated by Singapore's Air force Chief in 2005 was a total of around 60 to 80 new warplanes to replace the A-4SU and F-5S/T fleets.

Expect additional orders on top of this one

I shall have to close this thread if any more childish and unsubstantiated comments are made.

Please do proper research before making comments like "Will we get destroyed cos no natural barriers"

This is not chit chat.

Either carry on the thread with proper comments, facts and figures or be responsible and keep your comments to youself.