Originally posted by gasband:

Whats the difference between him and people on this forum? He did something. He stood out there and make a statement "I know I may and will lose everything but I gonna do it anyway." I feel that he has that "I may need to lose everything before I can gain something for the good of others"

I am not so noble thats why I hardly participate in political discussions. But I have seen so many heated discussions that are against the government, it makes me wonder then why there are not many "TALENTS" from this forum who has joined Jeyer and Chiam in their crusades and actually do something. I thought I can gather that people just talked but are not willing to give up their money, their house, their bank savings or whatever possessions. People talked alot but ideals and just ideals.

Heya buddy i seldom surf the forums these days but I'll give my own insight.

 

Many people are not so noble I guess much like you. I'm no different. People live for different reasons. Some to accumulate wealth, others to enjoy a peaceful life..... yet there are some who live to make an impact. Leaders in some way. They believe in some ideology and go out to influence it on others. These are people I believe who should be politicians cause they dare to say it. Most people will not do that. If I'm working for so and so and I get paid well although I dont believe in his ideologies I don't really say anything against it cause my aim in life is to accumulate wealth and to do that would jeopardise my rice bowl. And I have the feeling that alot of the members of the current ruling party have the same thinking as me. Mere commoners.... not leaders.... not people that should be politicians in paliarment cause they don't have the "I don't care if you like it or not I think its right so I say it.... you not happy we debate it in paliarment." All they want is peace, money and wealth.

 

Would you speak up knowing u can get sued and lose all your hard earned wealth? I wouldnt. In fact I'll think its stupid to do so. We are not leaders.

 

But what if a leader came along... and all he asks is...."You dun say stuff I'll say it if it comes down to getting sued it'll be me not you.... all i need is your vote." Would you do it?

 

Personally and this is my opinion now.... I don't know about the opposition and their ideologies much to say they are "better" or "worse".

 

I'm voting opposition. Why?

 

It's not because I want LKY to die... I don't harbour such feelings of hatred. Nor do I sympathise with the underdog - opposition and give out my sympathy vote.

 

Its because I want change. What do I want to change?

 

I want opposition parties to have more power. Even if they win - I'll risk it. The people do not have a voice right now. If opposition has more power the people will have their voices heard in paliarment. Its basic logic. The "losing" party will always be more willing to open their ears to the people. Parties in power for too long will be unwilling to do so - arrogance? perhaps.

Originally posted by £Ϊ€ڰ:

The benefits for using a public forum like this is that you are faceless, you are not accountable for what you said and seldom do anybody question what you said as long as you are criticizing the government.

Dont under estimate the power of this forum, this is a very effective mind corruptor and it is free.

 

There is a better medium to corrupt the mind if used for that purpose..... the television and the newspaper.

 

And probably because the forumners are faceless do they dare to speak their mind? Or do you not condone speaking your mind.

 

"......and seldom do anybody question what you said as long as you are criticizing the government."

 

That is a bias assumption. I assume the moderators do not prevent pro government forumners from posting here and if you feel that pro-government threads gets flamed alot .... well maybe thats because theres alot of people not agreeing to govt policies.

 

Make your own assumption .... pro-pap or not.

 

 

Originally posted by Genie99a:

Do you plan to have kids?

 

Are you worried that a sudden change in the political environment will affect your generation.

 

Or would you risk change for the future of your kids.

 

There is no other govt better. Singapore has only 1 party. There is no shadow cabinet/party/minister.

 

You can either risk it. Or you can keep it as it is and leave the shit for the next generation to harvest.

 

 

You might also think its a coincidence that some people regard Singapore as a bad place to raise your kids as they will have a hard life.

 

And maybe see if statistics back this up.

 

Or maybe I'm talking crap. Go figure.

Originally posted by Aelop:

If you think there is one, please share with us.

Do you plan to have kids?

 

Are you worried that a sudden change in the political environment will affect your generation.

 

Or would you risk change for the future of your kids.

 

There is no other govt better. Singapore has only 1 party. There is no shadow cabinet/party/minister.

 

You can either risk it. Or you can keep it as it is and leave the shit for the next generation to harvest.

 

 

Originally posted by Bentsb05:

critics will always be critics, oppositions will always be oppositions....,

even as accolades are been sung by top respected neutrals, even as Truth is staring at them,................................

sigh

I totally agree with the TS's points especially point 8. Best Labour Force. Highly educated and cheap . To keep it cheap I suggest that country import cheap labour from China to keep market rates competitive and cheaper for investors.

 

By the way what is this country?

 

 

Originally posted by BadzMaro:

Uzbekistan ?

Lol man I thought I was dumb till I met you....Uzbekistan haha

 

Its Kazachstan dimwit

Originally posted by snowfoxx:

 i can't see how singapore's pursuit of foreign talent (one of our main 'economic policy' now could benefit the local people, i think it benefits the regime in terms of the money generated, i can't say it benefits the country, because the distribution of the money 'rarely' goes back to the people.........., so this way its at the expense of the local people.

It benefits the country bro in the long run..... they employ top (and expensive talent) to make critical decisions and run the ship.

 

They then recruit "cheaper" labour (also foreign) to make the "business" efficient.

 

Here comes the sad part. As Singaporeans.... you have to fit into either of those categories. Make it into the "expensive talent" category and you should do well.

 

The rest will have to fit into the "cheaper" labour category. Thus some of you might be feeling "competiton" and "spoiling of market" by foreign talent.

 

I don't travel alot.... but I do know 1 country avgly well.... in that country they rather not be as efficient to protect its citizens.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Melbournite:

i DONT THINK ITS  the th country itself to blame. Its the people. In evry country, u will find all kinds of people.

But u cannot generalise everyone as one lump group.

I disagree to some extent fellow Melbournite. The country has to take (part) responsibility for nurturing this attitude in our people. Singapore is highly competitive and a big portion of jobs are inadequate to provide a "comfortable" lifestyle. To be precise I feel for those earning $1-2000/mth.

 

Added to that the perspective your fellow peers put on you to be "successful" that encourages the "selfish" nature in our people.

 

I've once asked an aquaintance in a pub what his job was..... his reply was ..... no lar I'm just a air steward. The tone of his voice surprised me. I felt like saying that's a great job lots of perks and a chance to see the world. I told him I'm an office clerk (albeit with a nicer title) .... he then smiled and bought me a drink .... lol??

 

 

Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:

i won't rule that out.

i'd seen the worst of caucasians, yet.

i believe we are not the only ungracious souls.

True that. There are equally ungracious people here in Melbourne.

 

But the general feeling is that the proportion in Sg is higher.

 

Then of course you have Hong Kongers.... where $ is everything.

 

Wonder if people have the same feeling in Singapore.... $ is everything

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Why EUROPE , entire 'continent' able to prosper and continue to pay its IT staff who are european passport holders the highest IT salary in the world? now USA currency is like so cheap cannot compare with euro.

I think the answer is

because Europe Boleh!

Its not about cost. Its whether you are able to provide them the salary and no need resort to lowering costs.

Business is about SALEs.  No sales, no matter how cheap your IT budget is, also you go fly kite and bankrupt. Its about your business capability. Some INC says able to pay its staff world record salaries because salary is not the issue. Its the Gross Domestic that is the issue.

If you can , you can.

If you cannot, you cannot.

Europe CAN!

Businesses which are weak and cannot afford even IT staff should not use the excuse or reason  that if they don't use cheaper resources, their business will collapse.  The real reason is these businesses are either weak fundamentally, not smart, not competent, not able to capture enough market share, generate sales, poor in marketing or too stingy to invest in supplychain software of the best quaility or simply, someone or several people are corruptioning from the inside out.

1st world cost of living.

1st world everything except freedom and salary will not work. This equation is fundamentally flawed.

A kindergarten gardener can comprehend this. 

on a broader perspective i agree with your points good job

Originally posted by 798:

dun think it's gazelle. cos he is a pro pap doggie like u. =3

I think he is kinda neutral nowadays. He knows there are strengths and flaws with the current govt.... probably weighing them out himself. I'd say eagle has bcome more anti than before but nonetheless still pro-govt.

 

 

Originally posted by eagle:

He used TCH05 before that

 

I had the impression that Gazelle was pro-govt wonder why the change of stance.

I think that increasing buying power is a right solution for the lower caste.

 

They aren't lazy, they hold a job.... I'd think its unfair that they can't make ends meet despite working (throughout) their lives.

Originally posted by helen Lee:

one stupit CNN pig said in a TV show on April 9 that Chinese products were "junk" and the Chinese people were "basically the same bunch of goons and thugs they've been for the last 50 years.

 

If you were chinese ,can you bear such kind of humiliation???

 

Cafferty

 

 

 

Probably an isolated case. I was once approached by a mainland chinese who made a passing statement that Singapore was just a piece of nose wax on the globe and the people are stupid to follow whatever the govt tells them to.

 

There's always black sheep just gotta ignore them or dont give face and respond.

 

I told that girl that in Singapore most of your women are worth $120 a shot.

Depends what your happiness stems to i guess and your resources.

 

Cash rich .... SG is pwetty good.

 

Top 5% .... SG is still pwetty good.

 

95% with very little savings.... SG is not so good in this dept.

 

All this is taking into consideration that your happiness is weighted heavily to material comforts

Originally posted by fishbuff:

my brother-in-law used to work as a tiling and electrician. because of age and lack of formal education, he is now reduced to hawker helper and subjected to verbal abuse by the stall owner as the latter has access to employ PRC workers.

i hope to bring him to Oz and start a rennovation/landscaping business so that he can earn his living here.

counting on PAP to look after the poor and uneducated? far out!

Tiling here earn alot ..... i paid 6k to get a bathroom and toilet tiled. Dont include materials ... in aud. Took the guy all of 3-4 days lol ... i want to be a builder!!!!?

Originally posted by Escape.Artist:

If you think the PAP has done you wrong, please stand up for yourself and the citizens of singapore by fighting alongside the oppositions.

And if you think the PAP is undermining the efforts of those opposition parties, you might want to consider what Mr Low Thia Khiang, secretary-general for the workers' party, once said during the last general election. He said even if his party had won a majority vote, they would still not be able to form a proper government, the reason because they lacked resources, experience, and talent. Therefore, if you think you are talented, please put your talent to good use, and not just go on the streets and protest. Leave that as an extreme, last resort.

In this, also consider the ill effects of staging protests - what harm it can do to social, cultural and economic stability in the long run. You have to agree that Singapore is where it is today partly because of cohesion and non-existence of unnecessary protests.

I think its good enuf to cast a vote true to your heart.

 

They still have a life to live be it under whatever rule.... not everyone wants to be a matyr/activist.

 

 

Originally posted by ray245:

 

Oh realy? SO indepedence is SOOO damn important that people's standard of living does not matter at all? Look at all the former british colonies in africa, is independence good for them?

 

Can you say that indepedence for those colonies is a better thing?

And moreover, don't forget what did the british government FAILED to do for singapore, it is singaporeans who started industrialization programs, singaporeans who build the HDB flats to solve the hosing issues in singapore, not the british.

In my opinion, the PAP do a better job of managing singapore's economy than the british. 

 

I wouldn't say independence would guarantee a better result but it is the right thing to do.

 

It's always better to govern yourself than to have others do it for you. (Similar to having the freedom to do what you want when you approach adulthood)

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Originally posted by rainee:

omigod that's so exp for the crabs O.O

I think we went to the same place to eat crabs once...but only two people la...we ordered the chilli crab...think one crab cost around 40 bucks at that time?

You must have had some humongous crab man!

Its quite big lar ..... its for 8 people mah. Me and partner, her brother & partner, in-laws, uncle & partner.

 

But i still think 8 people 450sgd abit pricey for kopitiam crabs.

 

 

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

too bad fishbuff in Brisbane.

If he in Melb i early private email him go lim kopi lor. He seems the easygoing type.

 

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

What about the Singapore community there?

fishbuff says there are at least 50,000 Singaporeans in Australia. Can start  a "little Singapore".

 

So far i meet Malaysians, China chinese one big load, Indians another big load (alot of them doing IT helpdesk lol), HK another big load, Singaporeans? So far none :P

At least not in Melb. ( dun count students lar)

Originally posted by cApitaland:

only if you are a regular and knows the boss.

The boss that Lincoln Cheng issit? I think must spend dunno how much on drinks b4 can noe him lol..... i think i dun noe him better haha

Originally posted by qlqq9:

If you are happy in Oz now, why wanna come back.    Guess the costs of living will get even higher when you return in future.    You come back with your wife only once in a year not every week or every month, so the amount you spend on travelling back is justifiable right?

Happiness ? Depends lar.

Happy bcos got more $? Yes.

Happy bcos in a foreign land? No.

Happy cause got the "power" i.e. $ to start a respectful family? Yes.

Happy cos got friends? No........ I have made a few 2-3 new good friends. But I cannot lim kopi with my other good friends in Sg. One of them even come to Melbourne 2 times just to visit me and lim kopi lim beer.

Also I have lived 20++ years in SG. I feel more comfortable there. The people here treat me well (my boss and colleagues)...... but I prefer to mix with SG ppl (Im not prejudiced) 2 of my new good frens are Mainland chinese.

Originally posted by fishbuff:

so now u are a builder ah? solid man.

im a dip holder in civil engineering but try earning $500-600/mth and work under the heat, humidity and long hours on SG construction site. no thanks.

now.. perhaps i can think about getting another degree in civil engineering here. heck! at least i dont get those NTU/NUS jokers telling me that my dip doesnt qualify me to get into a degree program.

No ar not a builder bro. I'm a clerk with a fanciful name. Too late for me to make the change to what I like..... (old liao)