how does this work, anyone care to enlighten?

Originally posted by Tammiemeow:

Errr, when we get old, maybe 30-40 years down the road, the welfare system might be abolished.... I have no complaints giving the pensions to the elderly or the handicapped. In fact, I am most happy to be taxed heavily to give to these groups of people. Even responsible single mums who really need the pension to keep the family going, as they cannot juggle full-time work and the young school-going children.

BUT I have an issue with pensions going to irresponsible single mums who give birth to so many children to claim pension, and instead of spending the $$ on the kids, they spend on drugs or alcohols. And how about able young people who claim pension, and on the other hand work at cash in hand jobs. And the Druggies and Alcoholics who make a nusiance of themselves in public...

 

i see it in this way, as i said earlier, the tax comes back to u.  the welfare system might be abolished?

This si something we are not sure of....But will it happen in a democratic country like Australia, highly unlikely...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Originally posted by deathmaster:

if cannot use foreign talents, then use foreign labour lor. after all, ns is all about labour intensive saigang.....

but u have to convert them into citizens first . If else they will learn medic, driver, provost and apply for green card to migrate to greener pastures leaving singapore in the lurch.

Originally posted by Tammiemeow:

Some of these vagrants and lazy no gooders get pensions, and heard some even go for cash in hand jobs.... how smart.

u are not paying for them, when u are old, u get back the money in the form of pension. thats the idea..

Originally posted by reyes:

as someone mention, you need to get into profession that no aussie want to do. put it this way, if u r engineer, professional you could end mroe more difficult in getting a job than if ur  barber, plumber, nurses , mechanic and etc.

but pls consider whay you can bring to aust.

the average house in perth , sidney, melbourne is about AUD400k.

rental price is going up and probably you had to queue for one.

if you have a job AUD5000/mth. after 20% tax. u got 4000.

rental is about 250/300/week. after deduct housing you left AUD2800/mth.

a meal out cost you about AUD8.00

 

i am not detering anyone, but pls do your maths before making the harsh decision.

u are not deterring anyone but look at this way - 400K house which belongs to u for life and u get a landed home...and yr whole life to pay for it....it worth every cent...with $4000 a month, u are getting a car which is much cheaper than in singapore...

Originally posted by Tammiemeow:

Hi Melbournite

Which suburban areas has such cheap rental? Are they very far from the city. And how many bedrooms are these. I am in Melbourne now, but I dun think there are such cheap places. Even a one bedroom in Coburg cost abt. AUD720 - AUD780.

Can U share this with us....It would be very helpful to those that are renting on the high side. Thanx

u may be surprised. its Burwood i last noticed ...But again, u really have to look.....look for those areas near TAFE schools and Unis and usually the whole of these places are "rental"areas to students. So there wil be a small market there - a student market...As u know since so many ppl are renting out, it will bring down the rental in that particular place...

Btw i am talking about landed homes and not apartments.

haveu all noticed that this debate of Quality of life vs human development Index is indeed flawed?

If u noticed higher quality of life = higher human development index.  And Australia ranks 3rd in the world.

simple: dare to do what the other business will not dare to do.

Juliet Hasselblad (Ms),,,sounds like a foreigner.

f$ck off Class 95 FM

DO u know that the Dollar system was flawed from the very begiinning?

its true of what one forumite here said, Taxation is higher in other  coutries but the disable income and purchasing power is higher in those countries. In addition, u get pension social /unemployment benefits and subsidised care.

 

 

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

What is their agenda?

 

hs it ever crossed your mind that the the great disasters that took us into the last 5 major wars/conflicts were all staged and planned to make the rich richer, in a bid for world domination by a select few in power?

Well the answer to your Qn lies in here:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html 

 

 

Some may dismiss it as hogwash but though its not been proven or disproven, there is always a possibility to what the documentary examines may very well be true.

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/index.html

 

Zeitgeist, produced by Peter Joseph, was created as a nonprofit filmiac expression to

inspire people to start looking at the world from a more critical perspective and to understand that

very often things are not what the population at large think they are.

reyes, rental of $250 - $300 per week?.. are u renting an aprtment. apartment costs more..

But in suburban areas, rental goes for like $400- $500 currently in Melbourne for a month

Fatqueenlet, australia is good place to live and work. But if u have some expectations of living standard here. U have to throw singapore out of the picture. its because in Australia, infrastructure is not so developed as in singapore, Internet  pornography is censored, Entertainment is limited.

But what is lacking in Singapore is found in Australia eg. cheap cars, Nature, relaxing lifestyle, Higer wages, Workplace laws and welfare.

 

Taxes are higher, but basic life is not compromised. u will still be able to afford basic necessities like food, transport and home.

Just remember , dont make superficial and surface comparisons . singaporeans who di this, i know of has since returned back to Singapore  It all boilds down to what u really want in life.

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

NWO will not happen in our lifetimes.

1. Religious believes are different.

2. Culture change will take a at least half a century.

3. Politics.

4. Terrorism.

5. Oil hikers control the world.

didnt it ever crossed your mind the above 5 points u quoted could be very well orchestrated by the NWO agenda?

many Fts seems to know about Singapore and its lifestyle very well, Truly amazing considering they did not even grow up here. It seems many of them seem to get their info from Internet.

hi there, about yr Qn. melbourne, Sydney and pErth are capital cities. u can study here if u intend to work part time. But if u studied in low population areas , like Brisbane, Tas, and Adelaide, u will get some extra points for PR.

There a lots of jobs available but getting what u want may be difficult. Entry level jobs requiring manual labour are easy to get if u have some expereince. sometimes training is provided if u are a freshie. Examples being sales assistants, orderlies, cleaners, transport men, taxi drivers ect. But if u are looking for high end jobs, make sure u have a degree and a PR and lots of experience. managerial or office positions need knowledge in accoutancy, management ect. The difference between Australia and Singapore is that Australian job market is looking for people with skills and work experience , not cheap unskilled workers. . Your work expereince may not be in that field but they will give recognition for prior work experience if its related.

 

 

Its now harder to apply after the new post Sept 2007 rules. However .However some "balancing acts" of the new immigration scheme are  in place like eg. work expereince and English capability,  getting more points than before.

Overall, it has been revamped to incorporate more tighter relations with work, study and expereince.

Australian residency system is a beast. Its highly complicated system which is unforgiving.  

 

the new changes after Sept 2007 are  due to the problem of students who graduated after studies not working in their respective fields of study after getting permanent residency. This causes ártificial and unpredictable changes in the labour market and certain industries where labour is needed are not benefitting at all while others have an oversupply.

 

Though independent migration ( where u apply and get it straight away)  is more harder now , ( its never been easy anyway) , there are certain aspects in place that may help students who study in australia to get permanent residency. One is the TR - Temporary Resident, whereby u have to work for a total of 900 hours in your studied field to get PR. this helps those who are in trade studies like Hairdressing, chef and mechanics or anything which is shortage in Australia

 

. However for general non trade studies like eg. accountancy, business, Engineering, U can still take the TR route but its risky because u have to find employment during the TR period and even so riskier if your field of study is not in the skills shortage list. However if u can find it, u have to find it when u are still studying ( part time work)  since the TR is granted to u for only 18 months. In these 18 months u have to clock 900 hours which is actually less than a year if u worked for minimum 20 hours per week.  In all, u have to find 900 hours work either during your studies or during the TR which u apply after graduating or both together in total. And this work have to be either related to your studies or a pre existing skill u have before which no necessarily be related to your course. Like eg,

U studied Business Finance but u have a Diploma in Engineering. u can classify the both as related as U may be working for an engineering company in the future. But the work for the 900 hours can come from your pre existing enginnering qualification. Important thing is that both your studies and work must be clsely related.

 

another way is employer sponsored PR which if u are lucky while studying and working or during th TR period u have a good employer who likes u...

 

All these came about due to large number of people who were granted straight PRs after their 2 year study not working in their relevant field of study.

 

And btw, i think manager and administrators, are under the gazetted  list of 60 points in Victoria and some other states i think at the moment.  Your course of study  may fall into this category and u have to find employment in this category for 900 hours.

 

Considering u have not even started studying, my advice to u is dont go for the courses which u want PR for unless u very sure u are interested in it . Because 2 -3 years later, the occupations in shortage may change and when u graduate , u will find that u have been screwed. So do what u want to do.

I have seen it and done it all and seen others  before an was  in your situation years back.

 

Australia is not the only place u can go to work or live, The rest of the world are at yur fingertips. Good luck in your future endeavours.

SIngapore may always attract the businesses but attracting workers for the businesses is more important.this is the reason on why min wage is important.

Whats more important is the the relation of the country's social polices that are tied in with the economy and workfforce and pretty much everything else as well

 

This is where singapore is severely lacking.  There is an unbalanced system in place which will rear its ugly head in times of economic downturn.

I agree that a country like singapore needs to look at sustainable systems of governance rather than one which is fragile and changing ..

 

singapore always maintained its preference for Businesses  than the workers but this will have the negative impact. Eventually discontendted workers means a disadvantage for the business as well as productivity may be affected. What goes around comes around, as per saying.

I talked to a few foreigners who have worked in singapore and they say its not a good place to work especially for the skilled workers in the lower strata .

Even now in Australia, severe shortage of labour is In. but lots of  people are always trying to come in to work because of the system in place it has.

 

 

to the guy who made derogatory remarks about me and my wife, i say go to hell...

Ppl like u only flame in forums with no constrcutive suggestions or input to discussion,,

A dumb idea is better than no idea at all as it at least provides food for thought .

100 years a go man tried to fly through dumb ways but now he has progressed on to even flying to outer space...

i think what our govt does is relying on foreign MNC to set up biz here.

they can still do it by cutting down on corporate tax but introducing a min wage + higher taxation. This way the burden of taxation is offloaded from the companies and passed on tot he citizens. In return the citizens will have social benefits from this taxation.

India and China will always be a cheaper place but what singapore has is the infrastructure and security.

so why is the PAp worried about not attracting MNC?... The system in Australia is working, why would it not in Singapore.

 

i a m not talking about unemployment payment but retirement pension.

Of course nothing works well without proper regulation. Given the mentality of singaporeans, many will try to claim unemployment benefits...we can do the model without some of the liberal forms of the western taxation system.

Its all about tailoring. 

what do u think?. Will it work?