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Originally posted by SBS2695H:
Friday, October 10, 2008
SBS Transit
SBS 0904 T on Service 002 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 2715 J on Service 022 (AMDEP 162)
SBS 3860 R on Service 024 (AMDEP 261)
SBS 2706 K on Service 031 (BNDEP 036/36A)
SBS 0073 R on Service 032 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 3643 B on Service 040 (BNDEP 045)
An unidentified DM OAC Merz on Service 053
SBS 0891 X on Service 066 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 2772 T on Service 087 (HGDEP SP)
SBS 9231 S on Service 222 (BNDEP 225 G)
SBS 9653 H on Service 225 G (BNDEP 197)
SBS 0586 C on Training (HGDEP 109)SMRT Buses
An unidentified ELBO on Service 969
One more to add on:SBS 9608 P on Service 037 (BNDEP 028)
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Friday, October 10, 2008
SBS Transit
SBS 0904 T on Service 002 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 2715 J on Service 022 (AMDEP 162)
SBS 3860 R on Service 024 (AMDEP 261)
SBS 2706 K on Service 031 (BNDEP 036/36A)
SBS 0073 R on Service 032 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 3643 B on Service 040 (BNDEP 045)
An unidentified DM OAC Merz on Service 053
SBS 0891 X on Service 066 (BNDEP SP)
SBS 2772 T on Service 087 (HGDEP SP)
SBS 9231 S on Service 222 (BNDEP 225 G)
SBS 9653 H on Service 225 G (BNDEP 197)
SBS 0586 C on Training (HGDEP 109)SMRT Buses
An unidentified ELBO on Service 969
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Originally posted by service_238:
bndep following amdep style.. kill the bus before lifespan expires... leaving only a handful of them in service till lifespan expiry.
Well, at least AMDEP will still be kind enough to leave just a few Merz on Services like 24 when they could give a full fleet KUB if they want anytime with their resources. Or HGDEP, kind enough for just 3 Mark IVs on Service 27.Edited by SBS2695H 06 Oct `08, 7:12PM
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Originally posted by jayh272416:
Sv33 got KUBs today
SBS8337C is one of them
I hope that the CRBs will remain for at least two weeks for ample time to get night shots of the CRBs on 32 and 33 in town, maybe at Hill St/North Bridge Road. Last CRBs to go into town.
. Thank god stuff like SBS36Z SBS43C SBS47S
expire on 07 December 2008 with SBS60C expiring on 28 Feburary
2009. The 4 CACs should also be safe.Edited by SBS2695H 06 Oct `08, 2:05PM
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Allow me to share my views on the recent happenings in this thread. Although I only joined this forum this year, I read quite a lot of threads created in this forum few years back. Back then, there were lots more threads asking about simple questions such as "SV 81 no more double-deckers?" but the people who created the threads for a small issue did not get flamed. But then such people back then did not get flamed.
Somewhere a year ago, there was a newcomer's guide which had comprehensive explanations about the bus models and short forms about buses used in the forum, although there can still be room for improvement to include information about depots, cameos, perm status, A/P/S/T/E/N shifts, timesheets, jumpbus system and anything the seniors know about buses. I do intend to make a really comprehensive one including everything if possible. I feel that a very comprehensive guide can really solve the junior's doubts instead of having to ask around in the forum and risk being flamed.
Really, years back, the community was more bonded and willing to share as much information they know of and there were much more interesting topics.
Fast forward a few years and it is not as easy for a newcomer to join like one who joined few years back.
We need to be more willing to share our information with others and not discriminate someone who does not know enough facts due to not having enough experience exploring, some may not have enough resources to explore as much as others, we need to understand that. I believe the biggest reason I am discriminated is because I do not know as much facts as others. This is in relation to the following.
Doesnt mean that if you know more insider news, or you are the owner of a chio DSLR and knows all the good sunlight spots and can snap chio shots of many many cameos, or you have connections with drivers who are willing to take you on off service joyrides right straight into the depots, you are better than others and can just pin them down for every single thing. You may be more experienced but so what if you totally lack the respect for a fellow bus enthusiast, even in the course of "educating" him?
I fully agree with the above. If you know more insider news, share the news. If you know about good sunlight spots, share the spots. Share your experience on making connections with Bus Captains or Service Leaders so that other can do the same instead of declaring it "confidential". I hope that I can create a really comprehensive phototaking guide which tells everything when I get enough experience.
"This junior/senior barrier MUST be abolished because contradictory to the aim of the "seniors" to integrate and unite Singaporean bus enthusiasts through common online sharing platforms etc, this very barrier actually hinders the progress of such an initiative.".
Remember: Do things without a biased mindset to anyone. This junior/senior barrier must be broken. Why is that so?
From a very reliable source, I know about certain information that is not confidential but then it is not known to the juniors. So if you're a junior you can't get to know? This is the divide that I am refering to. I have chosen not to expose the information for fear of being flamed once again and I believe that the information will be shared when the junior/senior barrier is broken. I have actually yet to express my jealousy (I may already know the information but I feel that the information should be shared openly on the forum) about such information how negatively I feel about the above.
If you are not very sure whether information are true (or so called rubbish), do not make up sentences that are subjective. (Always get your facts right before posting)
I believe that if we are not sure of certain information, we can still post it if it is appropriate but we need to declare that it is not very reliable information, a learning point for myself as well.
Edited by SBS2695H 04 Oct `08, 10:35AM
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Originally posted by Roderick a.k.a Guai Kia:
hmmm…
maintain their bus better,remove buses tt are uncomfortable,and fit in more WAB buses with many seats too..i suggest SBS and SMRT to buy WAB DD,space for WAB and also for passengers,SMRT>to clean up their bus regularly ,SBS>increase of speed,please!suggest tvm to be on all buses.I feel that you should elaborate more on your points and be more specific in your views about how the public transport system should be improved. For example, you said "maintain their bus better". You need to elaborate on which points of maintenance should be improved, be it the engine condition or cleanliness of the buses. Next, you said "remove buses tt are uncomfortable". I would like to know which model you think is/are uncomfortable. Followed by you saying "fit in more WAB buses with many seats too..", the word "fit in" is not the proper word to use. Probably you are trying to suggest for SBST and SMRT to purchase more WAB Buses with more seats fitted. You should also not use the word "many seats" as it just does not sound right. With "SMRT>to clean up their bus regularly ,SBS>increase of speed", you are probably trying to suggest for SMRT to improve the cleanliness of their buses and SBS Transit to remove the speed regulators on their buses for improved speed. So please phrase your thoughts correctly. Lastly, you said "suggest tvm to be on all buses". Please explain why you feel that there should be TVM on all buses.
Edited by SBS2695H 02 Oct `08, 11:07PM
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Originally posted by Junyang700:
What I can suggest:
(01) Most bus services today call on too many bus stops. They make too many inner rounds and thus, travelling is not as smooth as it seems because it takes a long time to travel from Point A to Point B. Bus services should be more direct and amended accordingly.
(02) The new Wheel-Chair Accessible (WAB) Bus was meant to cater to the needs for the disabled, as well as benefit the elderly from stepless boarding. However, they have neglected the seats. There are practically no seats on the bus and most of the time, the elderly end up standing, inconveniencing them. 4 seats for elderly in fact, to be precise, as the rest of the seats are accessible by walking up the stairs. And lesser and lesser seats for everyone.
(03) There are too many restrictions on bus services. PTC has to approve every single route and one of which is that a SBST service which needs to cut through a SMRT territory must cut through the shortest route, or best should not even enter its territory at all, likewise the converse. For example, SBST cannot introduce a bus service from Ang Mo Kio To Yishun, even if they wanted to, as there is a restriction on it. This has prevented many cross-territorial routes from operations.
(04) Long wait for buses. Most bus services come between the frequencies of 12 - 15 minutes. This has prevented people from taking public transport. Bus services should be rationalised, merged to have more buses operating on fewer routes.
(05) Too many transfers. With the long wait plus bus services that does not bring you to destination. This has actually prompted people to taking cabs and driving. Imagine waiting 40 minutes for 2 buses to get from Point A to Point B plus a 40 minutes bus trip. 80 minutes!
(06) Smaller buses should be deployed to bus services with lesser demand. Look at HongKong's light bus. It can take around 20 people. Frequencies of bus services can be improved. 20 minutes for a 40 seater bus, why not a 10 minute wait for a 20 seater bus.
Let me share my views on your points. Note that in what I share, there is no right or wrong answer. It is just a personal opinion.(01) Most bus services today call on too many bus stops. They make too many inner rounds and thus, travelling is not as smooth as it seems because it takes a long time to travel from Point A to Point B. Bus services should be more direct and amended accordingly.
Skipping stops is already currently practised in Mainly Victoria St/Hill St, New Bridge Road/Eu Tong Sen St and Orchard Road. All the Services that pass by these places are divided into two groups. At alternate stops, you can board Group A Services and Group B Services respectively. For example, Services 007, 014, 014E, 016, 036, 077, 106, 111, 124, 162, 162M, 167, 171, 174, 174E, 175, 190, 502, 502A, 502B, 518, 518A, 518B, 700, 700A, NR6, NR7, 1N, 2N, 3N, 4N, 5N, 6N, 7N and 8N calls at Dhoby Ghaut Stn while Services 064, 065 139, 576, 578, 579, 581, NR6 and NR7 calls at Aft Macdonald Hse. Skipping stops cannot be practised outside town when bus stops are located further apart.
(02) The new Wheel-Chair Accessible (WAB) Bus was meant to cater to the needs for the disabled, as well as benefit the elderly from stepless boarding. However, they have neglected the seats. There are practically no seats on the bus and most of the time, the elderly end up standing, inconveniencing them. 4 seats for elderly in fact, to be precise, as the rest of the seats are accessible by walking up the stairs. And lesser and lesser seats for everyone.
This is also what I exactly feel about and what I have been stressing about but for this, we really need to work out a "win-win solution". As I can see and suggested from other sources, one solution to consider could be to have only one WAB space as we do not need so have so many PIWs taking our buses. But somehow many of my fellow bus enthusiasts seems to be very against this idea. Another solution I can think of might be to purchase more Double Decks in the long run to improve passenger comfort greatly. However, I would also like to add on a potential problem that SBS Transit or SMRT Buses might face eventually years down the road when all single decks are replaced by such WAB models. Have the operators ever asked themselves how are they going to ensure enough seats to run their Premium Services (Those that use Single decks currently) and Cityshopper Services where standing is prohibited? Unless they want to use double decks for all of such services, but then it is a waste of resources.
(03) There are too many restrictions on bus services. PTC has to approve every single route and one of which is that a SBST service which needs to cut through a SMRT territory must cut through the shortest route, or best should not even enter its territory at all, likewise the converse. For example, SBST cannot introduce a bus service from Ang Mo Kio To Yishun, even if they wanted to, as there is a restriction on it. This has prevented many cross-territorial routes from operations.
This is a factor that fails to let our bus operators realise their full service potential. The PTC will come out with reasons such a MRT duplications, etc. If a certain route duplicates a MRT line and sees reasonable demand, the route serves as another good choice of transport as an alternative to the MRT where you hardly get a seat toward the City. This can really encourage people to switch to public transport. In general there would also be more chances for direct Services without these restrictions. With more direct Services, there again more people would be encouraged to switch to public transport. For example, the Cityshopper Services do not allow boarding at the respective interchanges because this will "duplicate the MRT". If it allows boarding at the respective interchanges, there again there would be more passengers willing to pay the $3.30 fare for a guaranteed seat.
(04) Long wait for buses. Most bus services come between the frequencies of 12 - 15 minutes. This has prevented people from taking public transport. Bus services should be rationalised, merged to have more buses operating on fewer routes.
I do not fully agree to this. The frequency of Bus Services should be worked out differently on respective Services based on demand.
(05) Too many transfers. With the long wait plus bus services that does not bring you to destination. This has actually prompted people to taking cabs and driving. Imagine waiting 40 minutes for 2 buses to get from Point A to Point B plus a 40 minutes bus trip. 80 minutes!
This explains the need for more Services to connect the far ends, such as Pasir Ris/Tampines to Jurong East/Boon Lay via the expressways. A few examples of such Services would be Services 161, 168, 969. This problem also varies across different residential towns. Places like Bedok has many direct Services to many places which many SMRT Territories do not have much direct Services.
06) Smaller buses should be deployed to bus services with lesser demand. Look at HongKong's light bus. It can take around 20 people. Frequencies of bus services can be improved. 20 minutes for a 40 seater bus, why not a 10 minute wait for a 20 seater bus.
Again, this varies across different Services's respective demands at different times of the day. So I feel that this can't really be worked out easily.
Evaluation
Generally, I feel that to improve our Service standards we should look at Hong Kong's transport system. They have much more Double Decks than we do, head rests on seats and bodywork of much higher standard such as Alexender Dennis. This shows that they really reach out to their passengers which is what all operators should follow.
Edited by SBS2695H 02 Oct `08, 7:33PM
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Originally posted by Oceane:
I knew this would happen from the very start AMDEP started pasting their WAB stickers everywhere on their K230s. If the service isn't WAB. why bother pasting?
Not as if they look like they are going to be WAB services anytime soon.
I believe the main problem is KUB cross-cameoing around both WAB and non-WAB Services. For example, sometimes I see Service 66 KUB with the WAB sticker when Service 66 is not a WAB Service. This meant that the KUB with the WAB sticker was probably a cameo from a WAB Service. I hope that to solve this conflict, SBST should remind the BCs of non-WAB Services with perm KUB that they should temporary remover the WAB sticker if then are using a KUB cameo from a WAB Service for that day. In fact the same goes for B9TLs, example, Service 7 B9TLs cameo on Service 30 with the WAB sticker.
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Originally posted by TIB1062Y:
Do you know what is called EXIF data

And by the time you use your compass, it's already after sunset liao... If you have the willingness and the attitude to learn, anything is possible... Otherwise, if you still going to have your stubbornness attitude and mindset, then nothing good is possible.
I know about such a method, used it myself a few times, but I was initially afraid that accessing such data in secret to get information might cause flaming so that's why I did not want to point it out initially. Since it's clear now that accessing such data will not cause flaming, lets stick to this method.Edited by SBS2695H 02 Oct `08, 6:17PM
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Originally posted by Simple_boi:
SBS2695H and TTS are always daydreaming. Whatever we said, they ignore. How many chances do they need?Since i'm always give high standards of photos, aren't i trying to teach some of you here nightshots? Eg. SBS233X, sbs&tibs, -beehoon. All of you can even see newcomers like "-beehoon" able to take nightshots many times better than alot of you, not to say even dayshots.If you are willing to learn, why not? It's just that some stick to their stands due to stubbornness.
To learn how to take good shots, I believe you can't just look at other's up to standards pictures to get a good shot. You need really lots of time to experiment with shots, regardless of being night or day shots which is what I will try to be doing in 9 days time or during the Novermber/December holidays. To learn from one another, I suggest that those with high standard photos list down their ISO setting and shutter speed setting with the pictures so that other can follow and take good shots. For working with sunlight, I have thought of an idea which is to use bring along a compass with you and face the different side of the road at different times of the day. In the morning, make sure the bus faces the East direction where the sunlight comes from. In the afternoon, make sure the bus faces the West direction when the sunlight will start to shine from the West.
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