Originally posted by ivebeenhad:

yes i do agree that the majority may not really mind, because they are unaware of the evils that the ruling party is doing. try asking your friends or colleagues who do not talk politics, they only care about their 3 meals, house, car and job.

Anyway, its up to the people to decide who wins the next ge, and i really hope to see more opposition, not less.

Actually, to me, the root cause is not talent no enough but where the talent chose to go to instead due to pragmatic or personal reasons.

An organization is nothing without its people.

I believe that basically, all topics can become politically-related topics. I am a bit unable to comprehend why people are apathetic when things really do affect them, if only they can see.

for example, sex can be a political issue. Lets say people somehow do not have to much sex or enjoy sex less. This could lead to less babies born and thus a political issue.

Trust can be a political issue. Lets say you used to donate to the old nkf and trusted it completely because you never hear anything bad about it until the gold plating of the tap incident that led to opening of the box full of worms. Trust then becomes a political issue.  Trust can be dangerous word.

Transparency  can be  a political issue.  Lets say people trust that the old nkf is transparent and accountable. What happened? Transparency became a political issue.

Mee siam also can be a political issue.  Lets say mee siam actually is harmful but no one believe it is. then one day, a scientist study found evidence of harm. Then, mee siam becomes a political issue and food sellers need to adhere to certain new health rules and regulations introduced to address the harm. Of course this harm is hypothetical but also we cannot rule out the possibility of this happening in future. To be safe for now, I avoid eating mee siam with harmful appearance.

Thus, I fail to understand why 1st world singaporeans especially the highly educated and young generation are apathetic.

But this shall be overcome with time as a young nation matures more and more.

The fireball of Truth cannot be contained forever.

All I can say is,

the main stream media does really affect everyone.

No CHANCE !

1. Singaporeans have no experience having a strong Opposition like in Malaysia.

   They may not accept it as for the last 50 years (almost), they chose not to have too much Opposition.  They prefer little Opposition.

2. Who shall lead? This is a political issue. Who would want competition between singapore and malaysia politicians?

3. Salary and currency difference. erm....cannot say too much up to this point...

My friend lives in p.pasir and he skyped me 2 months back saying that a housing agent (stranger) he chanced to meet in a lift told him, after learning that he is flat hunting, that she has a unit in p.pasir for sale , aka lease.

Lady housing agent Lydia Hoong Mui Lim :  "I have a great unit for sale in p.pasir, great price! hard to find price like this in sg. here's my name card"

My friend ChokeDong replied : "good price because its cst ward mah, next time how to sell ?" 

Lydia Hoong Mui Lim : "aiyoh, it will become 'their' ward after the next election mah, CST old liao".

ChokeDong :  "hmmmm.....can I go and take a look at this flat NOW ?...."

I understand that its costly to bring up a child in singapore. And will most probably become even more and more expensive as time passes by as almost all aspects of costs of living keep on hiking.

Fortunately for employers, being in asia and having so many FTs the labor cost is maintained well.

The only thing that keeps people sane is MORTALITY - bad people eventually, unstoppably will have to die, or at least become senile, weak and fragile and toothless before that.

I feel that the people now being 1st world citizens are expecting , at least, the following and more than just economic achievements.

1. ACCOUNTABILITY

2. TRANSPARENCY

3. Basic FREEDOM for other aspects  ;)

Just feeling boring and like to share some renowned philosophies / theories about human psychology:

1. Herzberg's theory - increase in hygiene factors need not necessarily increase motivation.  An example of hygiene factor is SALARY.

2. Maslow's Hierarchy - Self Actualization is on the top of the pyramid. You reach there only after you are satisfied with your Self Esteem.

Originally posted by sgdiehard:

I don't qualify myself as a PAP supporter, I support some of their policies wholeheartedly, I agree with them on some of their policies though I wish they could be more sensitive to the people, I believe there are much more they could do for Singapore and should not be complacent. I disagree with giving minister the very high salaries. I may have somethings in common with Gazelle and the like on government policies, but the languages, the approach in defence are never some of these.

I voted for WP, I support Sylvia, Low TK, but that definitely does not make in the same rank like Fangtagf, M13 and clones as opposition supporters.

There can be many reasons why different types of people , the 33.3% supported the Opposition.

1. Transparency

2. Accountability

3. Freedom of speech and assembly.

4. Social safety net / welfare

My friend who voted in singapore finds that despite economic capabililty (contributed by the people), the first 2 factors are important to him when he votes.

He feels that he knows what is missing in the system and having them will improve the system.

So, he feels that people should vote to improve the system and not just accept status quo.  This can mean voting for the same party they voted before or giving a party more power to effect changes.

Originally posted by whiskers:

Whatever that happens in India is your own problem... do not compare India with Singapore... If u want to live in Singapore then bear with out laws, stop whining... Or back you go...

How many migrate to india?

How many migrate to singapore?

The answer is clear.

He should understand how lucky and well treated he is in singapore compared to living in india.

A singaporean going to India will not enjoy the same privileges and benefits.

I hope he is not taking things for granted.

But then, he is given all these to enjoy.

Originally posted by ShitSandwich:

Invest.. of course must invest big and take risks ah. With 20 billion.. you can make 200 billion, the most you lose is only 20 billion or so. Anyway Singaporeans will never see the money, know how much there is or what's it used for..  So why you guys worry so much?

To me, if I am GIC chairman.. I will invest more than 20 billion! More like 50-60 billion.. if I am right and I make 100-200 billions, I and GIC becomes hero of Singapore. Lose already, nobody knows how much is lost anyway and I still get to keep my job and million dollar salary.

 

And if you have losses? Most likely, I must say there will never be any losses. ;)

Where could money come from if need to invest more?

I have no idea whatsoever.

Originally posted by 00011000:

 

I never heard him criticised the civil service but praised the govt and the civil service. 

Have you confuse him with Ngiam T D? It was Ngiam who criticised the civil service all the time and Ngiam was previously the head of the civil service.

Oh ngiam. Is that the bloke that does the hdb? Is he involved in giving singaporeans so much subsidy in flats for them to enjoy ?   Some questioned if heavily subsidised, why many still have to make 30 year loans ?

all these people very interesting...appearing on newspapers every now and then :

Ngiam, Philip , Tan KL, Siew Kum Hong....

Originally posted by Jingojingjing:

In this case,

comparing TOC and Opposition,

I must say TOC is more EFFECTIVE in communicating social and political issues to the masses than existing generation of Opposition parties.

There seems to be good reasons why Opposition could not win any GRC in the last election despite the humongous turnout at rallies.

My recommendation is that they learn from Activists. They may never have a chance again.

just my 2 cents.

Jingo

Neutral element

 

 

My friend skyped me saying that goh confident of winning back hg in not too distant future.

I wonder what it will be like when a so-called 1st world has zero opposition wards or worse no opposition mp in the parl.

if not already so, this scenario would certainly make singapore unique among 1st worlds.

singaporeans may not have any opposition to represent them in parl , if hg is returned and as we know, potong pasir may also be lost.

There may not be any more chance left for opposition if they do not improve this time round. There has never been a better chance for opposition. But with the strategies implemented by the P4P, and the Fragmentation of Oppositons parties , and the lack of daring and strong opposition challenge may just spell the demise of opposition in singapore resulting in a truely 1 party state.

Good or bad depends on the People what they want. I shall remain neutral being merely a singapore observer.

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

He is not even the JI leader and now he is Al Qaeda boss? Dont promote him lah.

Appologies for not making it clearer. Have edited that posting.

What I meant was, there are several leaders in JI (the group) and Selamat is said to be one of them. JI is also related to Al Qaeda where also several leaders exist. He is allegedly the head of a branch of JI's militant group. I used the word 'leader' to mean one of the leaders. Someone who is one of the many leaders can also be called a leader right?

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out.

tchuss!! 

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

He is not even the JI leader and now he is Al Qaeda boss? Dont promote him lah.

Appologies for the not making it clearer. Have edited that posting.

What I meant was, there are several leaders in JI and Selamat is one of them. JI is also related to Al Qaeda where also several leaders exist.  I used the word 'leader' to mean one of the leaders. Someone who is one of the many leaders can also be called a leader right?

Anyway, thanks for pointing that out.

tchuss!! 

People like Tan KL are active writers in TOC who give high level recommendations and suggestions to current affair issues.

If they keep making suggestions and recommendations 1st, would this in any way not dilute the effectiveness and relevance  of opposition parties?

I think the opposition's future may not be certain. Voters may find that non opposition people are proposing  and suggesting but what are Opposition people doing to show people they can also make high level suggestions and recommendations?

Originally posted by Fantagf:

Atobe is credible as compared to those trolls here.    He reasons well and knows the situation in Singapore as for the other 2 to 3 trolls here, they are here just to expect to read posts that are pleasing to them.   If posts are not pleasing to them, they start their nuisance, spoilt, troublemaking is in their blood.   These trolls are good in twisting their words.  

I simply skip their postings (often long winded) whenever I see trolls posting here. No offence to them , its just that I already know their motive and simply have no time to waste on trollism. They are the worst forms of existence.

Bounty or no bounty, the Al Qaeda related JI  terrorist leader (so he is one of the several leaders) is about to clock his 5th straight, consecutive month of escape from the high-security detention center of singapore in about 2 to 3 days (depending on your time-zone).

Sad but true.

So, world of internet users,

Why is IBA not sued if its is alleged trying to 'do us in' as mentioned by others in this thread?

Any one knows? 

by the way, I believe Atobe is either accomplice with Stupidissmart trying to spam this thread or Atobe is a victim of Stupidissmart's effort to distract people reading this thread. Trolls detected!!! 

Originally posted by Dondontan:

Looking at their personality, I guess they will mind if they are filmed, especially G Ong.    They are doing the job of apple polishing when they touched on the issue of owning cars is cheaper here.    Time for a change for Fm95, get some new blood to do the morning show.     Anyway, I don't prefer Venetta Lopez, her performance is just mediocre.   

They have the mike and they can say what they want.

They need to be tested that they can also joke about their own video clips taken by their 'fans'.

Talk is really not difficult.

They talk and talk and talk every morning sounding very wise. For example, they like to comment on this and that and criticise this and that.

Most if not all of the time they are on air, its a one way communication where no one directly immediate can rebut them or comment on what they said. Only sometimes, they allow some people to call in and talk to them.  But this is only a small fraction of their air time. So, they talk more than listen to listeners, in this sense. 

No matter how much bounty is offered,

I still believe that the enforcers and intelligence people should prove that they can find out where he is hiding with their effort and not so much RELY on those tempted by the money to help them catch the toilet breaker.

Having said this, I would like to believe they can find him even without those tempted by the bounty. The nation's security could depend on their ability.

Originally posted by Fantagf:

Waiting for news on LKY suing IBA.

Me also wonder when there will be an official reply, if any, about whether IBA shall be sued or is there any case to sue the world class IBA? does singh know?

Originally posted by Melbournite:

Amazing how these 2 kids saying things which adults discussing in forums such as speakers corner.

seems like they too are unhappy with the current situation in sg.

Will they kenna detent witho triiel?

Altho 1 mill can be a lot,

what if terrorists issue an ultimatum to the inner circle that whoever leaks, who family kaboom?

will 1 mill be enough to get them to leak?

Hambali got much more.

I think the bounty can be higher.

The secret identity businessmen can donate more or not?

How about 3.3 million?

How does other 1st world governments that are Respectable get pay hikes as Public Servants?