Originally posted by Sally Cock:

Chua Soi Lek? Who is he? What happened?

By Sky News SkyNews - Wednesday, January 9 12:09 pm

Two Malaysian teenagers have been charged with possessing and selling DVDs that showed a former Cabinet minister engaging in extramarital sex, a scandal that led to his resignation last week.

Both teenagers pleaded innocent in courts in southern Johor state and were released on bail.

But one was re-arrested by domestic trade officials for questioning about pirated DVD sales, the New Straits Times newwspaper reported.

They were charged with possession of pornographic items, for which there is a maximum penalty of three months in jail and a fine.

Police have cracked down on the illegal distribution of DVDs showing the former health minister, Chua Soi Lek -- a 61-year-old married man with three children -- committing adultery in a hotel room.

Chua resigned last Wednesday after admitting he was the man in the video and that the woman was a personal friend.

On Monday, three other Malaysians, including a beauty parlor worker and a farmer, were jailed and fined for possessing and making copies of the DVD.

Police are trying to determine who originally made the secretly filmed, one-hour video and how hidden cameras had been installed in Chua's suite in a hotel in Johor. Chua has suggested that his political rivals conspired against him.

It’s sad no one sees its an obvious spoof the ex-malaysian minister Chua Soi Lek and his dvd scandal.

And just a faint guess. You are studying at RP?

I personally underwent the op. Be aware though, that the operation involves making incisions near the armpits at the ribcage. It will leave two little scars. (hard to spot when my arms are down or clothed)

The only risk worth mentioning is puncturing your lungs accidentally during the op. But even that is not very serious or life threatening as it is very minimal chances. Another thing is compensatory sweating might occur. As in, the sweat intended for your palms will be directed to other parts of your body that will sweat more. Which parts you ask me? It varies from patient to patient. For me, my chest sweats more but i'm okay with it. Some patients are lucky and do not get compensatory sweating at all.

Post op recovery was very painful as they collapsed my lung during surgery and it was hell just to breath for the first few days. Really hurt like siao everytime i took in a breath.

Was it worth it? If i had go and do it again, I would. I am very satisfied with the results and frankly speaking, I don't think those temporary options can come close. This is guaranteed and permanently effective. After suffering from uncontrollable wet hands since young, my hands are dry all day round. At the most will only be a little moist, but nothing more than that even if you force it.

To those who never suffer from excessive sweaty palms, you don't know how good it feels for once to have dry hands while writing, shaking hands and doing daily activities.

Originally posted by redstone:

Just went thru another thread. It seems that some companies deliberately use the method of attacking your weakness, hurting your emotions and later "coming to your rescue".

They'll deliberately avoid the words M L M, make it as vague as possible until the last minute. I want someone to drag me down to a MLM office. I'll hoot them upside down. Any takers? Feel free to PM me.

You can try going to the MDIS building near Eunos, which i presume you are familiar with. Sometimes, one can spot many golden haired youngsters in suits taking smoke breaks and slacking. Life looks pretty aimless for them, understandably since life is wasted away by doing nothing constructive. They look quite "zuo bo" and would most probably be willing to drag you in should you take the initiative to approach them.

Last I peered through the glass panel, I only saw lots of tables and chairs. No products at all and pretty spacious. So finding some seating space will not be that much of an issue.

It's one thing to have committed a wrong once and right your ways by helping and warning others.

It's another thing to have committed a wrong and still be sinning up till now!

TS, where did you park your car? Is it somewhere in the east?

One question to consider would be:

What is the general proportion of art/design-trained folks who make big bucks compared to proportion of ppl in other professions (acc,eng,bus etc)

And also apply it to a local context. How many big names are there in Sg?

For example, just because there's Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, I won't venture to tell people IT is attractive and you can make it big.

In a society where cost of living is high and taxes keep rising, you might have stuff to pay for like housing loans, vehicle loans or insurance. No one can avoid them. Your life plans and goals might change in the future. You might want to save for marriage, look after your parents, start a family or give your kids a better life. Sometimes, interest alone cannot pay for all those. Life is sometimes give and take.

Not taking any sides here, but just suggesting one looks from all perspectives and long term. I'm a person who values passion a lot, but cannot ignore the practical aspects of life.

That said, use your passion to excel in your given field. For that is your greatest gift on the job.

Originally posted by MightyFlameboy:

U think ur boss can sustain his extravagant cars and houses if u guys do nth? Why not try going on a strike for a week? And u'll see ur boss desperately recruiting ppl, or he'll be mortgaging his assets. He's successful cos' of U GUYS!

I think one of the tactics involves telling and convincing each individual that they'll be of highest management just like the boss one day. "Make others work for you lah!" This will get passed on to the next downline and so on, until every person thinks that will be sitting at back office reaping rewards from others eventually.

So when you mention this, each mlm'er will think to himself: "He's referring to others lah. Not me."

Pretty neat conditioning, if you ask me.

Can someone tell me if “Shiang Series Myanmar” is related to Bel-air? And is it still operational?

Can somone tell me some of the various ailments that lead to PES F classification? I've got a friend who is fit and in healthy state of mind and yet, he is graded like that.

I'm pretty puzzled but pai seh to ask.

just sharing with u, heard from other forumer that FGN is going to sue everyone posting in this forum u should edit ur posting

Sue what. Every post in this thread is defamatory? This is so lame, it isn't funny at all.

But then again, it sounds like a good idea. If not, how would we see the downfall of people like TT Durai?

Even if the government hospitals sell any form of magnetic therapy devices, I don't think they would dispense them at outrageously high prices.

Magnetic therapy is one thing, magnetic devices are another. I don't think TTS or SGH have stocked up any magnetic mattresses? Gosh, they must be letting such wonderfully advanced technology go to waste. Nevertheless, I do hope EY gets in touch with them soon so we can have revolutionary medical miracles.

EY's magnanimity should be commended and praised also for being so mindful of the public's health and well-being, but I wonder at the same time how much cash they are lining their pockets with just as they regurgitate such moving lines of care and concern. Is customer well-being the focus or the sale the focus? One can only speculate.

Institutions like Biopolis and TP should have their own research arms if i'm not wrong. Where then, does Enyouth get their own scientific backing from?

Someone previously stated that a member of EY's Scientific Advisory Board, specifically Dr Jacque's Lazar, was proven to be a fake. That person has no affiliation to Columbia University whatsoever. So what becomes of the people that endorses the products. This is an important issue as the company's credibility and integrity is at stake here.

Apologies if i may be wrong. Anyone care to address or confirm this?

Here is my edited version of lifezone88's post for everyone's reading convenience. I have tried to rephrase it in a more understandable format to the best of my abilities. >

Hi .... I'm new in sgforums.

I'm a chinese boy who is 18 years of age. I have read about those people who wrote into the forum about enyouth. And I must say, I was also a victim. I was contacted by my friend to meet up at clark quey mrt station. She still works in enyouth presently if I’m not wrong. She was my friend from amk ITE who always used to play truant.

When that girl arranged to meet me up at a coffee shop, there were two other guys accompanying her. They wore very nice clothes asked me if I wanted to drink a few rounds. I obliged and joined in their sponsored drinking session, which was apparently barley actually. After the drinks, they queried about my interest in cars.

Thereafter, they brought me to a building where I was taken to an office in the top floor. They show us an article pasted at the wall describing all about car achievers and their success stories. They then led me to a room for a group talk. After attending the talk, I decided to join. However, I had to pay $14 for the business package. They also persuaded me to buy their products. I was introduced to the product. They also taught me the tricks of promoting the product and convincing the customer. One point to note was not to push too hard and when making an appointment, it was a definite no-no to disclose the name of the company or workplace premises. The way to lure prospective customers was to ask them out by the suggestion of an “outing”. Now who would be the people to call? I was told to ask myself who would be friends that were close enough to me to the extent that they would bail me out of jail if I were ever in trouble. Those would be the prospective targets to get in touch with. I was persuaded to purchase the therapeutic bedsheet they were selling. A guy even said he bought one for his sick mother by pawning expensive jewellery. I was shown a receipt as proof. I was then further persuaded by their salesgirl to buy one too and was accused of being selfish to my family when I declined. She claimed she used her savings to purchase one for her parents.

Do you think this is a scam? Some of my ITE friends have joined Enyouth. Do you think the company is blacklisted? The incident happened a few months ago and hence I wish to share the experience I encountered.

My first appointment made to sell the product was with my friend who’s 36 years of age. Before the meeting, I was asked to memorise a script to convince the party over the phone to agree to my meeting at the cafe. During the call, I was immensely stressed and was rushing through the conversation. But I was told not to ever disclose the company’s name in any circumstance to avoid suspicion. My friend was asking me where I was and I told him I was outside. When questioned on why I was to meet up at the proposed place, I quickly changed the topic and at last, he agreed.

Then my upline who had pulled me in also accompanied me to the meeting point. When my friend got to know about it, I felt like a liar and a betrayer. The appointment still carried on nevertheless. When it was all over, I returned to the company with my upline and after that I returned home. I felt like I had wasted my time. Later on, my friend called me to ask me more about the whole affair and I told him my upline was teaching me the ropes of starting a business in distribution. I was warned by my friend to be careful. Fortunately, I have quit since January. When my upline got to know of it, she chatted with me over msn and wanted to know to reason for quitting. She assured that there would be people to help me out in the promotion. We ended up quarrelling.

I was at the same time persuaded by another member of Enyouth who asked me why it was a waste of time when I could potentially be a car achiever. I told him I felt it was all fake. He said I was stupid to turn down the chance to earn easy money and a chance to become an sdm (?).

I have found it a waste of time to go down for groupings and talks. It was usually all about presentations and note taking. When I parted ways with them, I was treated like a stranger.

My conclusion is: Those newcomers of Enyouth, please quit as soon as possible or you will stand to lose your bright future. It will be a life of without happiness and one where you can’t earn a living. It’s much worse especially if you do it full time. You spend money out of your own pocket to fix appointments and still, no one cares about your feelings. The money you end up wasting comes up to more than the product you sell. Trust me! Luckily I quit earlier according to my friend’s advice.

Reading all these posts made me want to share my encounter. I also pity those youngsters who skip school in order to do this business. This is a job with no returns that will make you suffer. There is no basic pay. There is no such thing as easy cash for if there were, there would be lots of people working in Enyouth. You only stand to regret. So quit now while there is hope.

Hi, just a little curious. Don't know anything about VE except from what I read here. So it naturally evokes some questions from a bystander. Why does VE not market the magnetic mattress through the mode of conventional retail? If it's such a viable product and plan, why not do so?

This one's directed to the issue of youngsters dropping out in to do VE since you mentioned it in one post. This is a highly ethical issue to me. I noticed that most MLMs have no qualms about recruiting youngsters. Whether we'd like to admit it or not, youths are still impressionable in a way. Being highly fired after a motivational talk because of the confidence and nature of the product success is good. However, I feel it's not about sporting opportunties and belief.

I'm talking about this supposed potrayal of perceived success in which appears to motivate through the handle of human weakness and desire that seems to present itself in the forms of retiring early and getting those dream “wants” etc. I might be wrong on this one but I’m more inclined to think that such motivation has been used in a wrong manner where people get inspired by such “visions” of wealth rather than faith in the product and business plan. (work by exploiting human weaknesses)

So Corwin, for the sake of discussion, do you think the aggressive sales system has contributed to such black sheep who only enourage others to act in the best interests of the company and the uplines themselves? Do you think the MLM model is responsible for this if so?

Does VE actually adequately address the pitfalls of the trade to these youngsters or just conveniently omit the issue?

Originally posted by ForsakenBeing:

seems to me that there are a lot of friends of Baldwin here...

well if u guys do care about him as friends...

go show ur concern to that poor guy cos i think he is in really bad shape...

nevertheless...

everyone is friends from the beginning..

even thou paths may be different..
still can show ur concern as a friend..

Dont be like those heartless beings inside AAA who only think about $$$...

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I've been reading this thread for some time now and am really curious: Who is this Baldwin guy and what about the RX8 incident? Convenient to say here or not? Or can PM me

Originally posted by OasisBlue:

Same but i m not dat serious...i m somehow quite impulse...so when i m angry(i mean very angry) i will burst into flames...i dun think of de consequences b4 reacting...try talking teacher bout it...i did...he told me to find my trigger points... try finding ur trigger points...

Very hard to control beyond a certain point lah. I just somehow feel even if i don't burst will bottle up inside to accumulate until the next eruption becomes bigger.

Haiz...sometimes really think not speaking to people can be a good thing also.

Originally posted by darknessfall:

are you sure you consider yourself a nice person in nature? hhehe...

anyway, the same old rule applies, but you must bear that in mind every time!

when you are angry, take a long deep breath and let your mind stablised. In this way, you lessen the impact of your anger...

Rem: When you are angry, you generate -ve feelings, which spoils the relationship. So, its only happiness that generate the +ve feelings needed to strengthen a r/s...

I consider myself a person who tries to treat people with respect and dignity as I would myself. So of course it hurts badly when a person stings you with harsh words. (Singaporeans love cursing and swearing at every little thing)

Perhaps I don't really get my views correctly across.

Btw, i'm a guy scorpio. What has it got to do with my starsign?

What do you do to contain your temper?

I'm a really nice person by nature. But i find myself flying into rage too easily most notably when someone raises his/her voice against me. My mind just sees red and rational thoughts blankout for the moment. And most of the time, i holler back fiercely (can be fearful sometimes) without thinking especially when i feel i'm wronged. On worse days, I can even taunt someone to fight me.

Because something in me cannot take scolding without some form of retaliation. I have a lot of pride and cannot let an insult to my face slip. I could not care less regardless of whoever i'm scolding during my fury.

I regret this, always. It goes against my belief to be of good character but i'm just helpless against my nature. I alway shout first, think later. I'm seldom like that but when my blood boils, its bad. Even when i ironically prefer civility.

I feel this problem is serious and threatens to consume me. Every battle leaves scar on me and I'm tired. I might get into big trouble one of these days. But i never wish to hurt anyone at the end of the day. Be it stranger or friend.

The fire is hard to contain. Does anyone have similar experiences and advice on coping with temper?

This post brings back memories. Back when I was still wet behind the ears as a puny corporal, I often had strong inclinations to challenge, question and improve the environment in which i held my stint. I too, was hot under the collar and believed that a fair competent and "professional"; organisation could materialise. I was ready to stand up my beliefs, coupled with notions of impartiality, to right blatant wrongs. Today, one can easily accuse me of being cynical or pessismistic.

Your definition of professionalism is one sided where applicable in a military context, although many moons back, I was ready to believe a more holistic package could exist in the SAF.

Firstly, we all know professionalism towards tangible goals are more than satisfactory to everyone as they are direct benchmarks of competency and egos. Ranks and salaries are intricately pegged to achieving such targets.

Now, the "conscience" of professionalism like you say, is what fails in the system and piques soldiers (ok, ex-soldiers) like me. Impartiality to me, is only a privilege granted to those lucky enough to receive it. The SAF is a large organistion with dozens and hundreds of tributaries. The hierachies further down the channels are still cumbersome. This disrupts the flow of information. Checking up on the integrity and conduct of every decision is near impossible. Even as a peacetime unit, time is scarce to hardworking (or pretending) commanders.

Cleansing the body of bad blood is near impossible too, as no staffing is permanent. Enlistees come and leave very often. Good values that were cultivated over the periods come and go like the seasons in this transit that we call National service.

1) Superiors getting exposed to likable and detestable behaviour over the long term.

2) Recruits in turn exposed to the cynicism and sadism.

3) They leave and new freshly shaved fodder take their transient positions.

Can there be a panacea for cancerous cells that strike without warning at any point of the body? And what more, for this continually changing landscape?

Professionalism in the army is only a distant ideal in reality. It is like a game of roulette deciding your win or loss. My advice is for recruits to enter and learn the rules of the jungle, apply them for survival, and to leave intact. Dispose all pre-concieved ideas of equity that we see in dramas or read during moral education classes and just play the game wisely.

Your presence still feels so fresh. I try to convince myself that everything is all right but ultimately, the harsh reality dictates that you have parted forever. We will never meet face to face not will we ever smile to each other. Brother, i take back those hurtful words and unjust actions back which i hate myself for over and over again for right now. The whole world seems to have stopped without meaning. This wound will never be healed. I lie at night and can't stop thinking and when i wake, i can't stop sobbing.

I'm grateful that you were here as my brother in this life and in the next, i will want to be there for you this time. I only wish to meet you again to tell you all those words that will always remain unsaid and emotions that were untold. The honor was always mine. Rest in peace.

Ok. Though he is rather nitpicky about some issues, insignificant details qualify as a good read sometimes. That said, I find it pretty amusing.

Some people have very wild imaginations these days. That looks more like some deformed cartoon character face although I don’t even think you can call it a face.

Yeah i feel some nostalgia all right. But somehow, something in me resents that bespectacled kid. He is unpleasant reminder of how nerds used to look like back then. Thick-rimmed, creamy coloured glasses and all..

They are after all, just pets at the end of the day. How are you going to prove that this cat was abandoned by its owner? Surely you don’t expect stray cats from every nook and cranny in Singapore be be traced down and have the owner undergo some trial do we? We won’t have the human resources to do that.