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  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • I’d like to know what improvements lionnoisy made to himself after over 3000 posts in here?

      A new clone?

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    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by lionnoisy:

      good link,but

      Ask not what this forum can do for you ...,

      ask what U can do for this forum!!

       

      Apparently what you do for this forum is to fill it up with posts nobody bothers to read and create clones of yourself.

      So, still not talking about your clone and how you got hacked? What happened to makepeace? Is he going to be "supporting" you in here?

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    • Well we all know he has this inability to get his point across properly... assuming he had a point to get across in the first place.

      Anybody even bothered to read what he posted? Because I certainly didn't even bother. The amazing part is that he makes such glaring errors that even though I didn't bother to read his whole post I can catch it just simply scrolling past his post, such as launching F-18s off LHDs which he calls "mini-cvs".

      I can only imagine far more errors will pop up had anybody actually bothered to read, but of cause it's not worth our time at all.It's just another pointless thread in this forum, and his only hope is that noobs who come in here unaware of his previous action will reply and become his captive audience. But right now I guess that's just not happening, given he is still not answering the most interesting thing about him:

      Eh lionnoisy, why you create clone and talk to yourself ah?

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 27 Apr `08, 12:30AM
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    • "Gunner! RPG! <CITV override gun to point @ RPG dude, n laze>!"

      I seriously double the Tempest has CITV, let alone hunter-killer abilites.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 27 Apr `08, 12:24AM
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    • Sock puppet

      From Encyclopedia Dramatica

      <!-- start content -->
      The most perfect sock puppets ever, Sifl and Olly
      The most perfect sock puppets ever, Sifl and Olly

      A sock puppet is an account that is under the control of another user, and has the purpose of creating the illusion of another online persona, or giving the illusion of support. They are present in online communities like LiveJournal as sock journals, and have been a fact of life on Usenet since the beginning, an example being the group alt.anti-ebay where all other posters have been driven away by sock-driven flame wars.

       

       

       

      the clone appears

      his &amp;quot;reply&amp;quot; to his clone

      irrational replies and excuses

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Yeah but the recoil on the full NATO 7.62mm has always been an issue, and there's the issue of the 5.56mm causing more tissue damage if it fragments.

      7.62mm is powerful, but it tends to go all the way through the target unless it strikes bone or something like that, unless you drive it at higher speeds it will not fragment.

      I imagine double tapping would be tougher on 7.62mm given it throws the rifle about more, but a single hit from it will be pretty bad.

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    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • LOL OWNAGE..

      Of course what, lionnoisy too itchy already despite having been totally discredited he still feel the urge to post. After one day he cannot tahan liao.

      So instead of improving himself and learning more things so he can make sensible posts, he just comes back here with some copy and past of technobabble and think that will save him from being owned.

      But lol, notice how he has fallen totally silent about the thing we are really INTERESTED in about him?

      And that is not his posts, but his:

      CLONE

      http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326

      A sock puppet is an additional OnlineIdentity used by someone who already has another OnlineIdentity for participating in a given community, particularly when done in a non-transparent manner and where the identities interact with each other in some way. The term originates with the metaphor of carrying on a conversation with oneself using a puppet in each hand.

       

      Deception

      Use of a SockPuppet is typically frowned on. The social convention against sock puppets arises from the RealWorld. We do not expect to discover that the guy who runs the coffee shop is also our neighbour, but with a fake mustache and beard. In most communities there is at least a social expectation, and sometimes a site policy, that each person will use only a single identity. Thus, use of sock puppets is a DeceptivePractice.

      A PenName (or anonymous posting) is about discretionary exposure of personally identifying information, and doesn't exclude the possibility of participating with a measure of integrity since discretion and deception are not at all the same thing. It is fair to expect that we all exercise a certain measure of discretion, but it is hoped that we do not engage in intentional deception. A SockPuppet, on the other hand, is dishonestly represented as being a unique individual, distinct from the existing identities already in use in the community.

      Uses

      By using several Sock Puppets all posting in favour of an idea, a dishonest person can give the impression that the idea has more grass-roots support than it really has. See also StuffingTheBallotBox, which is a similar problem in a more formal, voting context. Sock puppets make it harder to enforce "one man, one vote."

      Sock puppet identities are disruptive in conversation because they are often used so that a person can ask questions of himself and appear to be carrying on a thread between two individuals.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 26 Apr `08, 12:16AM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
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    • Originally posted by noisylion:

      lionnoisy comes with a clone,which rights is not been reconized by sgforums rules

      lionnoisy inventor and co--inventor of makepeace

      While many here feel lionnoisy posts far from satisfactory,

      pl read more to see how badly lionnoisy want support etc to give

      him a little help to post in sgforums.

      http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326 

      lionnoisy  invented''

      makepeace


       

       

      Originally posted by makepeace:

      Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

      bans TV drama serices & interviews

      glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

      jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

      U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

      ban TV programmes .Right?

      U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

      are so hot there.Right?

      u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

      1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

      Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

      http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

      2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

      Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

      Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

      the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

      and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

      respectively,were interviewed.

      Its damn interesting that this news was under

      Entertainment section!!

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

      3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

      4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

      5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

      in www.yahoo.com.au

      6.Questions

      A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

      is still on?

      B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

      C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

      D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

      i dunt expect the there are so many details about

      Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?


       

      Inventors: lionnoisy:

      makepeace, a clone of lionnoisy to support himself

       

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 26 Apr `08, 12:11AM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Just to refresh u guys about SAR 21:

      Don't bother, we know much MORE about the SAR-21 then you. Many of us have shot it, taken it apart, and trained with it.

      Have you?

      In fact we are more interested to know about one thing:

      What happened to makepeace? Your clone?

      Just to refresh you about makepeace:

      the clone appears

       

      his &amp;quot;reply&amp;quot; to his clone

       

      irrational replies and excuses
      more desperate replies

       

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 26 Apr `08, 12:10AM
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    • Some may offer ideas to wait for new technologies mature then SG make a better rifle.No country can afford to wait defending her people.A ready product is much better than a very advanced rifle,but appearing only in the monitor!!

      What rubbish are you talking about?

      Technology has already matured enough to provide a superior rifle to the basic SAR-21, one can easily see this in the TAR-21 that came out at around the same time as the SAR but was already more advanced with better sights as well as being lighter, as well as having found far more customers overseas.

      Even the H&K G36 had far better sights and was around before the SAR came about.

      You just can't accept facts can you? The SAR-21 is not an advanced AR given even modest firearm technologies, the main reason is because it is cheap compared to other systems and could be produced locally. But there are better rifles out there then the SAR-21 basic for our soldiers. When ST made the SAR, technology was already there to make a better weapon but they didn't and other people did. And it's only later that they decide to play catch up in coming up with variants that the SAF is not using at all while our soldiers are stuck with a less-then-adequate weapon (as opposed to what we could have done).

      LOL, you just can't accept that ST makes only so-so weapons and exists because we have a need for a local arms industry. Despite all your claptrap, it's FAR from being the best in many things.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 26 Apr `08, 12:02AM
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    • Depends on 7.62 fired from what.  7.62 shot from an GPMG would probably take limb clean off.  But a 7.62 from an AK might not be as wounding as you think.  Its about the muzzle velocity if i am not wrong.

      The AK 7.62mm is a different round from the NATO 7.62mm (your GPMG ammo), it is a cut-down round designed to be fired from Assualt Rifles and hence has far less energy then the NATO 7.62, which is a "full" sized round.

      But it still packs more wallop then the 5.56mm, though it might be less wounding because sometimes it just goes right through the target as opposed to the fragmentation effects of some 5.56mm rounds at some engagement distances.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 26 Apr `08, 2:11AM
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    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Some people are looking to the 6.5mm Grendel, and it looks promising.

      But personally I think each round has its advantages and disadvantages, with current conventional propellent technology there's only so much performance you can get out of a bullet for each kind of round, so if you want hard hitting you've to give up ammo space and face harder recoil and vice versa the other way.

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    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Aiyah we all know bow and arrow are extremely deadly weapons, like I mean did you see how Rambo used it? Can satay people like siao and also explode sia.

      Also his arrows don't have a ballistic fight path, they seem to straight fly like hypervelocity railgun rounds.

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • LOL, I must say lionnoisy is a rather interesting character even though we know next to NOTHING about him, because everytime we ask him for what practical experience he ever had with stuff military, he always never answers the question.

      But if he is to be believed, in an early post he revealed that he only fired 20 rounds in his entire NS.

       

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    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • I think recent events have transformed his roar into a meow.

      His credibility is in total ruins after he was discovered talking to himself rather paethetically in speakers corner after he realized that he did not have enough supporters for his cause and decided to create some for himself.

       

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by LazerLordz:

      There was a definite issue with the scope, especially amongst the first two batches.

      The SAR-21 is not a perfect rifle, but it fits the SAF well for the roles that majority of the troops play.


      Exactly, but it's another issue to go lionnoisy and try to stack it up against each and every rifle and claim in superior, and failing that mess around with clones and trying to distract people with largely unnecessary posts on the M-4.

      As I said, unlike some guy who (if anything that can be believed about him) only fired 20 rounds in army and advocates inline skates for infantry operations, crashing fantail into stuff and thinking Mandai UAF is equal to Cheyenna Mountain, most of the people here know a lot more about the M-4 then him, some have used it, and some actually OWN M-4s and have custom built their own.

      The performance of the M-4 in the sandbox is something we are well aware of long before he posted his multiple long and unnecessary posts.

      What is this other then a failed attempt to divert attention from the fact that several very unsavoury facts have come to the light about him?

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Originally posted by noisylion:


      http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326

      (Real) person with logic still work in online forums.

      lionnoisy think fake one may work too, make lion sockpuppet clone 

      lionnoisy is never tired of cheating.

      But one look at english is enough to test if it is real or not....

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 23 Apr `08, 9:41PM
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    • A sock puppet is an additional OnlineIdentity used by someone who already has another OnlineIdentity for participating in a given community, particularly when done in a non-transparent manner and where the identities interact with each other in some way. The term originates with the metaphor of carrying on a conversation with oneself using a puppet in each hand.

       

      Deception

      Use of a SockPuppet is typically frowned on. The social convention against sock puppets arises from the RealWorld. We do not expect to discover that the guy who runs the coffee shop is also our neighbour, but with a fake mustache and beard. In most communities there is at least a social expectation, and sometimes a site policy, that each person will use only a single identity. Thus, use of sock puppets is a DeceptivePractice.

      A PenName (or anonymous posting) is about discretionary exposure of personally identifying information, and doesn't exclude the possibility of participating with a measure of integrity since discretion and deception are not at all the same thing. It is fair to expect that we all exercise a certain measure of discretion, but it is hoped that we do not engage in intentional deception. A SockPuppet, on the other hand, is dishonestly represented as being a unique individual, distinct from the existing identities already in use in the community.

      Uses

      By using several Sock Puppets all posting in favour of an idea, a dishonest person can give the impression that the idea has more grass-roots support than it really has. See also StuffingTheBallotBox, which is a similar problem in a more formal, voting context. Sock puppets make it harder to enforce "one man, one vote."

      Sock puppet identities are disruptive in conversation because they are often used so that a person can ask questions of himself and appear to be carrying on a thread between two individuals.

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • A sock puppet is an additional OnlineIdentity used by someone who already has another OnlineIdentity for participating in a given community, particularly when done in a non-transparent manner and where the identities interact with each other in some way. The term originates with the metaphor of carrying on a conversation with oneself using a puppet in each hand.

       

      Deception

      Use of a SockPuppet is typically frowned on. The social convention against sock puppets arises from the RealWorld. We do not expect to discover that the guy who runs the coffee shop is also our neighbour, but with a fake mustache and beard. In most communities there is at least a social expectation, and sometimes a site policy, that each person will use only a single identity. Thus, use of sock puppets is a DeceptivePractice.

      A PenName (or anonymous posting) is about discretionary exposure of personally identifying information, and doesn't exclude the possibility of participating with a measure of integrity since discretion and deception are not at all the same thing. It is fair to expect that we all exercise a certain measure of discretion, but it is hoped that we do not engage in intentional deception. A SockPuppet, on the other hand, is dishonestly represented as being a unique individual, distinct from the existing identities already in use in the community.

      Uses

      By using several Sock Puppets all posting in favour of an idea, a dishonest person can give the impression that the idea has more grass-roots support than it really has. See also StuffingTheBallotBox, which is a similar problem in a more formal, voting context. Sock puppets make it harder to enforce "one man, one vote."

      Sock puppet identities are disruptive in conversation because they are often used so that a person can ask questions of himself and appear to be carrying on a thread between two individuals.

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    • MAKEPEACE, MAKE CLONES?

      A REPORT ON ATTEMPTED ASTROTURFING AND SOCKPUPPETING BY LIONNOISY

       

       

       

      a lion puppet

       

      For those who wondered what happened.

      Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.

      Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.

      This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.

       

      A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]

      In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]

      The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

       

      To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.

       

      When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.

      The reader turned out to be right. ...

      After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.

      This is what happened:

      29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "

      Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:

      Originally posted by makepeace:

       

      Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

      bans TV drama serices & interviews

      glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

      jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

      U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

      ban TV programmes .Right?

      U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

      are so hot there.Right?

      u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

      1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

      Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

      http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

      2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

      Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

      Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

      the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

      and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

      respectively,were interviewed.

      Its damn interesting that this news was under

      Entertainment section!!

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

      3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

      4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

      5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

      in www.yahoo.com.au

      6.Questions

      A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

      is still on?

      B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

      C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

      D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

      i dunt expect the there are so many details about

      Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

      Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.

      Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.

      But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace

       

       

      Originally posted by lionnoisy:

      3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

      4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

      I cant believe there are so many killings

      in the above links !!!

      More excited than Holloywood movies!!

      Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.

      Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.

      But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.

       

      Originally posted by lionnoisy:

       

      Why did u check IP and English of forumers?

      i just know my acct has been hijacked and u post it!!

      It seems u are faster than me?Looks so strange!!

      Looks like it is a cyber crime and /or frame up.

      Hv anyone(u know who i mean) hacked into my e mails and computers ?

      Do i have to hire armed guards to stay outside my

      pigeon hole?

      I am seeking helps from ISD,CIA,FBI,MI 5 and 6,

      PRC Kong Ang, etc to check who hijack my acct

      and make me appearing as ''makepeace'' after

      i click submit.How safe in this forum??

      I will buy you Ya Kun coffee if your info can lead to

      catch the criminal,

      Forums owners and mods are hereby notified my formal ,written and distressing complaints to cyber crimes!!

       

       

      Another paethetic, and desperate reply from him when he was cornered:

      Originally posted by lionnoisy:

       

      oh it is good.Then can help me saving time to see counsellors How to get rid of computers addicts!!bye

      Those who want to see what happened can go here:

      http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/315326

      And some screencaps, so the evidence is preserved:

      "mysterous" makepeace appears:

      the clone appears

      and of course his own excited and poorly acted "reply" to his own clone.

      his &quot;reply&quot; to his clone

      and his own desperate and feeble attempts to wriggle out of the situtation:

       

      irrational replies and excuses
      more desperate replies

       

      LOL, what a joker!

        

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 23 Apr `08, 9:29PM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Haha, I've prepared our own military nuts report on the incident, not unlike the mas selamat report.

       

  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • Anyway, yes, the basic SAR-21 is not the best piece of kit to have if you are talking about how far modern infantry firearms have come since 1996. Just no denying it and that will not change if you drag out the M-4 or the M-1 Garand or the Greese Gun or what have you not.

      It is just a fact of life, our SAR-21 has to change and be updated or it itself will be out of date.

      And this thread is about the TAR-21, not the M-4, how come you are not talking about it?

      Don't try to educate us about the M-4, we know a lot more about it then you do. Some of the people here actually OWN M-4s and custom build their own.

      Please don't try to distract people from your clone incident with your sudden "interest" in the M-4, LOL, it's not working.

      Face up to what you did like a real man.

      Edited by SingaporeTyrannosaur 23 Apr `08, 9:33PM
  • SingaporeTyrannosaur's Avatar
    5,116 posts since Jan '03
    • For those who wondered what happened.

      Lionnoisy created a clone called "makepeace" which he used in speakers corner to further his own agenda, trying to give people the impression that there are others out there that would agree with him.

      Unfortunately he did a very poor job of hiding it.

      This kind of behaviour is called sockpuppeting, ie. creating a false online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.

      A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.[1]

      In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that "sock-puppeting" is defined as "the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company."[2]

      The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an "alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

       

      To "flame wars" and "phishing" we can now add "sock puppet." A sock puppet, for those still boning up, is a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet. Recently, a senior editor at The New Republic got in trouble for some particularly colorful sock puppetry.

       

      When Lee Siegel began blogging for The New Republic, he found, as many others have, that Internet posters tend to be fairly outspoken — and a good number of the posters on the blog were harshly critical. An exception was ''sprezzatura,'' who regularly offered extravagant praise. After Mr. Siegel was criticized for his writing about Jon Stewart, host of ''The Daily Show,'' sprezzatura wrote: ''Siegel is brave, brilliant and wittier than Stewart will ever be. Take that, you bunch of immature, abusive sheep.'' A reader charged that sprezzatura was in fact Mr. Siegel, but sprezzatura denied it.

      The reader turned out to be right. ...

      After making some lame and hasty excuse about his account being hacked, lionnoisy suddenly abandoned all this threads in which him being sockpuppeting was being mentioned. Unfortunately his excuse cannot stand up to logic as he was seen responding to and talking back TO HIS OWN ACCOUNT.

      This is what happened:

      29th April 0932hrs a "user" called "makepeace" that had never posted before created a lionnoisy-sounding titled thread called "Oz Judge ban TV drama & interview glorify gangland wars "

      Already suspisions were raised because the structure and phrasing of the title was signature of lionnoisy. The first post by this "makepeace" was as such:

      Originally posted by makepeace:

       

      Oz Supreme Judge Justice Betty King

      bans TV drama serices & interviews

      glorifying those in the gangland war.The bans to prevent

      jurors to be affected while the trial of a murder case is in progress.

      U hardly expect democratic and free country like Oz will

      ban TV programmes .Right?

      U wont know TV programmes on Oz gangsters

      are so hot there.Right?

      u wont know ganglang wars there also so frequent.Right?

      1.Judge cuts down(TV) Nine's Underbelly

      Milanda Rout | February 12, 2008

      http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23200497-7582,00.html

      2.Judge bans 'crime mums' interview

      Peter Gregory | April 22, 2008

      Barbara Williams and Judith Moran,

      the mothers of defendant Evangelos Goussis

      and the widow of the murdered Lewis Moran

      respectively,were interviewed.

      Its damn interesting that this news was under

      Entertainment section!!

      http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/entertainment/judge-bans-underbelly-report/2008/04/21/1208742836107.html?s_cid=rss_news

      3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

      4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

      5.u can learn more by seraching Justice Betty King

      in www.yahoo.com.au

      6.Questions

      A.Why the media want to air the interview while the trial

      is still on?

      B.How are the gang activities in Down Under?

      C.Am i look like anti--Oz?

      D.How true are the postings in 3 and 4 listed above.

      i dunt expect the there are so many details about

      Oz gangsters.Can any one tell me more?

      Note that other then for the user name, this post is virtually indistinguishable from the countless of other lionnoisy posts we can compare it with. The excessive reliance on the media, posting of hyperlinks, using warped logic that takes issues out of their context, and most tellingly the horrible english which make typos and grammatical errors right down to what lionnoisy would EXACTLY make is exactly what you'd expect from lionnoisy.

      Hence lionnoisy must have been someone disappointed because after 20 minutes still nobody bothered to reply to his post under makepeace. Hence he decided to bump his own thread.

      But after a few lackluster replies, he finally decided to "talk" to makepeace

       

       

      Originally posted by lionnoisy:

      3.The Morgan family----the story of the murdered

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/moran.family.htm

      4.The story of the Boss ,Carl Williams,behind the killing

      http://www.melbournecrime.bizhosting.com/carl.williams.htm

      I cant believe there are so many killings

      in the above links !!!

      More excited than Holloywood movies!!

      Note the bad acting, where he pretended to be "excited" and "surprised" about what he wrote himself.

      Now this is the funny part, if his account was really hacked as he claimed it to be, he would certainly not be replying back to his "hacked" account so happily in such a way.

      But in any case when he was exposed he made this very funny, frantic and desperate post trying to suddenly divorce himself from the actions of his sockpuppetry by claiming he was hacked. Unfortunately all a basic look at the thread will reveal what really happened, and that is nothing other then lionnoisy was caught red-handed sockpuppeting.

       

       

      Originally posted by lionnoisy:

       

      Why did u check IP and English of forumers?

      i just know