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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • real facts dont come from wikipedia

      There are some truth from wikipedia. U can always verify the articles with other online sites as well as the references it had provided

      That's why communism doesn't work.

      I think the problem of the recent spate of events is because of seperatists and human rights, not because of watever political system one is experiencing. Is democracy the mircale pill tat can solve all society problems ? This is very debatable. Should china become democractic suddenly ? I think tis is a recipe for doom since there r parts of china tat is not educated and developed long enough. If his political system is wrong, then china wouldn't even become powerful, or bringing the most people from poverty within a short time, or developing or even beating other countries in hosting the olympics.

      Edited by stupidissmart 20 Apr `08, 9:12PM
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    • BUT,in Tiananmen incident,does those Chinese students n workers obtain any heavy weapons like Tanks or gunnery?NO,they are just a bunch of protestors trying to convey their views of a more democratic n transparent policy,other than Communist style of dictatorship.Those protestors dont have any weapon on hands.And they were run over by Communist soldiers with guns n tanks.You think it is right for those Communist Pig government to do that?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_%281972%29

      If u look onto the wiki above, british army also conduct their own "Tiananmen incident" by shooting on unarmed protesters and driving their vehicle over them. 6 of them r not even adults.

      It is not right for the government to do all tis, but government have to do something when they face riots and violence and seperatists.

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    • If u talk about country turning against citizen, the whole world have its fair share

      Russia & Chenchnya. Why not free chenchya as well ? The russian also use its fair share of guns and violence and even kill its own people who r hostages as well. Why not free chenchnya ?

       

      In the 1970's, british also use armed interventions against its own citizen, Irish. They also use their army vehicle and kill their own people. On bloody sunday,

      14 civil rights protesters were shot and killed by members of the 1st Battalion of the British Parachute Regiment during a Northen Ireland Civil RIghts Association march in the Bogside area of the city. Thirteen people, six of whom were minors, died immediately, while the death of another person 4½ months later has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles. Many witnesses including bystanders and journalists testify that all those shot were unarmed. Five of those wounded were shot in the back.

      ...

      On 30 March 1972, the British government, unwilling to grant the unionist Northern Ireland government more authoritarian special powers, and now convinced of its inability to restore order, pushed through emergency legislation that prorogued the Northern Ireland Parliament and introduced direct rule from London. In 1973 the British Government dissolved the Parliament of Northern Ireland and its government under the Northern Ireland Constitution Act 1973.

      How come British have the right to start talking about free tibet when they don't give ireland the same treatment ?

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    • Singapore has one of the lowest income tax in the world :(

      Tat means the richer is taxed lesser compared with other countries

      But they do it to attract rich people to come to singapore

       

      And all countries tax... because someone got to support the army, the police, the schools, the hospital, the infrastructure, the bureacracy to support law, public relations, customs, firemen, corruption bureau, prison, street lights, sewerage, garbage disposal etc

      Edited by stupidissmart 07 Apr `08, 1:18PM
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    • Actually those are not Americans. and those who are American terrorists ARE guilty. In the past they used to silence dissent though. Communist dissent.

      They r american citizens, and they r not guilty, and they r tortured and caught for a long period of time.

      Democracy is the more transparent way to run a country - every government including authoritarian ones is as inefficient. Depends on the personnel themselves. At least the people get to choose the leader that they deserve...

      Democracy do have some form of transparency compared with authoritarian country. However the system of democracy is inefficient. If I am the opposition, and I have a large say in the parliament. I will oppose almost everything the president wanna change. Why ? If he cannot make any changes, it make him look bad. If he look bad, my party got a higher chance being voted. U can see tis phenomenon in a lot of countries

      Furthermore, singapore is not classified as an authoritarian country. People do get to vote

       

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • MSK... it is really a big cock up. I think he manage to escape liao. However because he escape doesn't means singapore is gonna face a big terrorist attack...

      About casino, I thought it is a cut and dried topic liao. It do bring in social ill but it also bring in wealth and tourists. Every decision there r pros and cons. Countries like malaysia, japan, british, america and korea also have casinoes. R they facing a big social problem now ? If u talk about casino, Geylang have a lot of illegal casinoes now.

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • If by "going easy" on traffickers means not KILLING them by hanging, then yes. Especially in the case of Nyugen, who can be rehabilitated. I am anti drugs; I am not even anti death penalty.

      I am pro justice to the extent that if anyone found with drugs in their blood, they should be prosecuted. Why should the state commit MURDER on the supply side while allow the demand side go free? Who's softer on the WAR on drugs if the state lets one side of equation go free?

      Lets settle the drug addicts first. The drug addicts r punished in singapore. They get to be jailed and caned if they r repeat offenders. If u think tat is not harsh enough, then do u advocate them to be hanged ?

      Now comes to drug trafficker. If u ask me, they deserve the death penalty. Why ? Because it is too lucrative. If someone manage to bring in a large amount over, they have enough money not to work forever. If it meant a simple 1-2 years jail, I myself will start drug trafficking and gamble by drug trafficking. If I manage to bring over once, then I can retire. Logically, it is not a stupid choice.The deterent is not enough to deter people

      Secondly, drug caused a lot of social problems. U can see drug addicts can become so desperate they become prostitute or commit serious crime such as robbery or murder. In fact, drugs really redefine the word "desperate". People do anything when they r desperate, even killing their family. Just because we want to be kind to traffickers who don't care about others, we r ruining innocent people life. Who do u want to protect ?

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Wow you dont read my threads do you? Like I said it is about acquring power, democracy being the "fairer" way to doing it. It is not about who is more "efficient" in running a country. I sure miss those halycon LKY days when you can send communists and their sympathizers to jail. Back then I supported LKY.

      So democracy is an inefficient way to run the country ? On the note, for democracy, lets say the future president of america (obama clinton McCain), they have to help their sponsor earn back the money they had spent on them when they r campaigning. The one with the fatter campaigning money stand at an advantage. I don't know if tis is fair or not

      Does America jail its own citizens for dissent?

      They do jail a lot of their citizen when they suspect they r terrorist yet they aren't.

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Sure if the majority thinks that LKY is impeding Singapore's progress, we should remove him as well. If we feel that Escape Artist represents a dangerous totalitarian ideology, we should exterminate Escape Artist.

      I think wat escape artist have written do make sense icon_rolleyes.gif 

      I feel tat insults without apparent reason is distracting

      Do u think democractic country do not kill people ? Democracy decide Iraq is gonan be conquered and they too torture and kill wantonly as well. If one day america decide Uncle Ver Sg is a threat and proceed with eliminating him, no one is gonna help him too.

      While a government can produce results at any given point in time, there are no guarantees that it will continue to do so.  In the case of the communist system, there are no guarantees that the government will not use its arbitrary powers against you one day for no good reason.  If that were to happen, what use is your Gucci bag, sports car and condo?

      Democracy is also the same... Is there any guarantee tat democratic country will always produce result ? Is there any guarantee tat a democractic country will not use arbitrary force against the citizen ? When a country has civil strife, all government reacts to it, whether u r democratic or not it does not matter. Indonesia do attack East timor before. Phillipines also use force on their resistance. Sri Lanka also use force on the tamil tigers. Iraq and Afghanistan have its large share of using force to control their land as well. Thailand and its muslim south, russia with chechen British and its old problem of Ireland... there r also many examples of countries using force against its citizen who had used force.

      But when china attack tibetians who use violence and want to seperate, then everybody condemn them. China behaves in a funny manner but we got to admit it is not easy to rule such a big country with so much problems.

      Edited by stupidissmart 04 Apr `08, 7:18PM
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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Same thing why are you so worried about drug addicts. Drug traffickers hang and drug addicts go free. Justice? They are part of same demand and supply equation.  The laws should deter people from taking drugs. Or are you pro drugs? If drunk drivers can be prosecuted just by driving and NOT by causing accidents then drug addicts should be convicted as well.

      Drug addicts do go to jail if they r repeat offenders icon_rolleyes.gif 

      Does tat make u happy now ? I think u r more pro drug ba... u wanted to go easy on drug traffickers

      My mistake Singapore signed the Kyoto Protocol and when there is NO emmissions target to be met as a DEVELOPING country. I tot PAP like boast that Singapore is already a developed country.

      Com'on la... the year it is signed, it is a developing country. If u boast at the wrong thing, u have to pay a price. U have too much money to burn ? Then tat is the real stupidity.

      What is your obssesion with public gyms? Next I ask a foreigner if they have cheap public gyms I already quoted Australia. If not public then YMCA etc.

      I think u r the one giving problems by claiming wat I had said is wrong about gyms icon_rolleyes.gif U go and ask the other people lor. I never went to YMCA australia before but I suspect they either do not have a lot of gym equipment or they r not free. Furthermore, they seemed to promote christianity which may not be tat attarctive to people of other faith

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    • Australia and Europe + Japan + Malaysia sign Kyoto Protocol. They done their part. As to trees removing smog, I want a SCIENTIFIC explanation. 

      Singapore in in the kyoto protocol

      http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news_lite.php?id=191431

      Trees do improve air quality. The explanation is already given. It is a scientific explanation.

      Air quality can be improved through the use of trees, shrubs, and turf. Leaves filter the air we breathe by removing dust and other particulates. Rain then washes the pollutants to the ground. Leaves absorb carbon dioxide from the air to form carbohydrates that are used in the plant’s structure and function. In this process, leaves also absorb other air pollutants—such as ozone, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide—and give off oxygen.

      Not by death penalty. Why is everything so binary in your thinking -  did I mention the trafficker DON'T get punished. Just not by death penalty. I dont take drugs, almost everyone I know dont take drugs, why are you so worried that the miscreant drug addict facing responsibility for his own actions. Unless...

      Why not ? Tis create a big social problem and the law should deter people from trafficking. Do u agree drugs can create a big social ill if left uncontrolled ?

      Using your own logic, why r u so worried about drug trafficking ? R u a drug trafficker ? Otherwise why r u worried about them ?

      Also the cheap public gym - are you referring to community centre or SAFRA. Dont tell me Singapore government subsidize personal trainer. I would also like to know the condition of their equipment and the kind of machines they have.

      I am talking about the community center one. True, there is little or not personal trainer there but u can use the machine. Can u use the gym machine freely and cheaply in other countries ?

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Think about this, if they had kept buffer stocks of rice for 3 months, which was purchased under the old price.

      How do u know the price we r having now is not the price tat they bought 3 months ago ?

      Why are prices keep increasing ?

      Sad thing man... inflation and reduction in the world food supply. I heard more people r making bio fuel and global warming causing tis drop in supplies. Supply drop, demand same, then price increase

      What are the governemnt doing to help ?

      Nothing much can be done... win win situation like buying food from other countries, eating different rice, more frozen meat, packets eggs r already employed. it is the problem of the world... only thing is to endure till the next harvest

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Going after the addicts will DECREASE the number of addicts.

      If the supply is there and promoting their drugs, then they will create lots of addicts. It is already shown catching drugs traffickers reduce drug abuse problems. Almost the whole world punish traffickers than addicts

      You think trees remove smog and smoke from the air, where do you come up with that fact.

      http://www.treesaregood.com/treecare/tree_benefits.aspx

      Air quality can be improved through the use of trees, shrubs, and turf. Leaves filter the air we breathe by removing dust and other particulates. Rain then washes the pollutants to the ground. Leaves absorb carbon dioxide from the air to form carbohydrates that are used in the plant’s structure and function. In this process, leaves also absorb other air pollutants—such as ozone, carbon monoxide, and sulfur dioxide—and give off oxygen.

      You know what is Co2 by the way - the thing contributing to global warming and strange weather.

      Sorry man, I am talking about pollution, not global warming. Global warming reduction have to be implmented by the whole world, not singapore alone

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Nonsense. Do you take drugs? Drug addicts take drugs on their own free will and get themselves trapped. A long jail term will help rehabilitate them as well as starving the demand, thus also decreasing the supply.  Drug addicts dont come foward to the authorities, its usually the relatives or friends that stage intervention

      if the supply is there, they will easily convince other people to try drugs. Teenagers or troubled youth r vulnerable and peer pressure can easily make them go for drugs. Own freewill does not apply to these vulnerable people.

      If u just go for the addicts, then u will find more and more people taking drugs which will cause serious society problems. If u go for the supply, then drugs will remain underground and rare and society have lesser problems with it. If u look at singapore and those countries tat have a strong penalty for drugtraffickers, u will find their society have a lower drug dependency problem

      Pay more for BETTER facilities. Ever heard of free market? Someone can also open budget gym also what. I pay $50 per month for gym so 6 months $300.

      Most of the time gym r localised to a certain region and they have a near monopoly there. They do not have to open a budget gym. Furthermore the equipment and instructors r expensive and they r not subsidised by the gov.

      Plant too many trees and you get increase in dengue fever etc. 1% is based on Singapore's electricity consumption and thus Co2 produced is much more than the trees can handle. Did Singapore sign the Kyoto Protocol?

      Pollution is not about CO2 or electricity consumption. It is removing the smog and smoke from the air. Where do u based your 1% on again ? Singapore, I believe, do support protecting the environmental and is pretty vocal

      LOL. 99% of motorists will disagree with you. Dont believe me run a poll.

      Tis is an obvious economic phenomenon. If u increase the price, the demand drops. The ERP more or less reduce the jam on the road. If suddenly ERP is removed, do u think there will be a surge in user on tat road ?

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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Not by much. Maybe 1%. Not remove all the trees. Reduce the number of trees especially with the leaves that encourage mosquito breeding.

      I don't know how u come out with the 1% difference but the trees make the whole environment look much better and cleaner. Maybe u like to see concrete all around u but the trees r a pleasant sight

      No one force addict to take drugs. If I can decide policy, I will introduce harsh penalties for drug addicts (not death penalty). In my opinion, drug addict is as bad as drug trafficker, if not worse. But must see case by case unlike PAP (people get addicted to drugs because of some kind of illness).

      it is always the policy of the law maker to catch the people who had established/supply the crime and not the people who get drawn by these crimes. The illegal gambling operator is worse than the gamblers, the person selling vcds is worse than the buyers, the person selling contraband cigerrettes is worse than the smokers, the prostitude get it worse than the customers. Similarly for drug abuse, it is the drug trafficker tat should get the heavier punishment and not the drug addict. If u remove the supply, the system collapse. As long as there is supply, there will always be demand

       IMO, drug addict r the victims and drug trafficker distribute poison to society for profit. Furthermore if u punish drug addict, then how to convince them to come to the authorities for help with the addict ? If u talk about morphine addicition for certain sickness such as terminal cancer, then they can get their hand on the drug through legal means.

      oh boy u dont drive car right? ERP still jam. Pay to get stuck. Doesnt solve all problems

      It is not as stuck as before and it is a good and fair revenue for tax. Tax the richer person who make use of the lesser resources more intensively

      For the public gyms? Gym is not THAT expensive. Italy scenary, beaches, cuisine, women, Ferrari. To each his own as I said. Its only whether can afford or not

      few hundred for a few months is incredibly expensive compared with 70 dollars for half a year here. Perhaps it is 10 times the difference in price

      Italy scenary is indeed beautiful and their women r really pretty. Their healthcare is pretty good too but it takes up a large chunk of their budget. However they only have italy cuisine (they don't have much of other food unlike singapore... and u can get italian food here as well), u can get ferarri in singapore too and the beaches r so so and available only in summer. Their crime rate is notorious too and I met 3 pickpockets within 6 months there. Yeah... and napoli have a infamous mafia reputation as well as gabbage problems. They have regular strikes too and u can get a few days without anyone cleaning or public transport.

      Edited by stupidissmart 04 Apr `08, 11:22AM
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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Australia have public gyms, a lot of countries have them http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2003/05/12/852351.htm

      I don't know man but public gym does not mean government sponsored gym. I find from here and it seems tat a lot of these gyms cost money in australia

      http://petermartin.blogspot.com/2007/04/sunday-dollarssense-paying-not-to-go-to.html

       I checked out the nearest gym and the cost was $448(australian) for 5months, which as a poor uni student i just cannot afford so i will have to make do with my 1 dumbell and machines.

      http://www.fightingarts.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=15986477&an=0&page=0

      Compared to the Co2 produced by Singapore, it is insignificant. And breeds mosquitoes.

      The trees do improve the air quality isn't it ? If according to wat u say, then should we remove all the trees ?

       dunno about crime rate exactly, it is increasing now. + future estimated increase. Sorry about the grammar.

      it had reduced in 2007. And future estimated increase is just guessing

      http://www.spf.gov.sg/stats/stats2007_overview.htm

       

      Compassion? Zero. Actually he is the stupid noble guy helping his idiot brother

      How about the many more lives which had been ruined by drug trafficking ?

      What I am trying to say is that not ONLY these people can come with good ideas. Btw only ERP and COE (aforementioned revenue making burden to the people) is unique.

      I find tat as a good way to tax the people and control car population. It solved problems

      Singapore is not perfect, so is every country on this planet. No lah, dont get me wrong its a great place to stay if you are a foreigner. Same like Singaporeans in other countries. Whats your impression of Italy?

      I don't think italy is a good place to stay if u r a foreigner. I prefer to stay in singapore... honest...

      Survey is world's best airport service, google it

      I exactly use "world's best airport service" paste it in google and get the below

      http://www.worldairportawards.com/

      Singapore get second ya... I did not see KL...

      Edited by stupidissmart 04 Apr `08, 12:45AM
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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • A lot of countries have public gyms: US, Europe, other countries. If not YMCA gyms etc. I cant tell you how much they cost but definitely much cheaper (and less facilities etc) than private gym. Why do you think only swizterland have public gyms? You a investment banker ah?

      R u sure ? I have been to Italy for 6 months and in Europe there is no such thing as public gym. I heard from an Italian friend tat there r public gym in switzerland so I brought it up.

      Please scientifically produce the proof that all the bright ideas originated from them and not some Ang Moh think tank they paid.

      Why suddenly lumped in Ang Mo think tank into the picture ? Off hand I think CPF, ERP, COE, HDB, library IT and many other ideas tat r unique. Even if they r not unique, they r implemented successfully and r shown to be a good model to follow. But of course u will discredit everything

      Can only agree with A because there is not much industries in Singapore itself that can pollute. Apart from Co2.

      I think the planting of the many trees have some credit ba...

      Political stability exists only when there is 1 party. And Safety in Singapore is decreasing over time and crime increases and due to increase because of casino. No such as no poverty.

      First point I agree with u, but nevertheless it is indeed politically stable.

      Safety in singapore is high, and whether is it decreasing with time can only be said when things happened.

      So has Government of UAE etc. Thing is long run I believe other countries will reject sovereign funds except for the poorest countries.  

      Singapore have it earlier than UAE though. Other country will reject sovereign fund because singapore is doing it and singapore always make wrong policy right ?

      Yes. Their "good ideas and policies" are not unique. And they impose unnessary burdens to the citizens.

      I just care if the idea is good and workable or not. I don't care whether it is unique or not. And if they impose unnecessary burden, then I wonder why other countries r doing it too (since u claim they r not unique)

      Well theres the food, the PAP propogandists to keep myself entertained with, the high pay not matching the level of competence across the board. These are the good things. PAP also employ a lot of people that would not be employed in private sector that is good too, like Mediacorp shows that ONLY the islanders can watch. As to how cruel Singapore can be, ask Van Tuong Nguyen's family (remember him?) and Francis Seow.

      I think their performance as ministers r not tat bad because I can see continuous improvement in each sector

      Mediacorp may be performing badly recently :( However Raintree production r trying to produce shows for international audiences... trying la

      Van Tuong Nguyen, the drug trafficker ? He deserve to die

      Well if Singaporeans are NOT included in the survey

      R u sure ?

      It is up to the GOVERNMENT in any part of the world to prove that any policy will NOT lose money. IF they lose money, who is willing to take the responsibility.

      True. But it seems a lot of people just condemn all policies as losing money when it in fact has made money

      Please dont exaggerate only the minister in charge WKS. Let me also ask the question: are you happy that MSK escaped and the boss in charge of security is also scot free?

      Actually, I am not happy myself. I think somebody's head have to roll and the answer to why he escaped have to be released soon

      Its not the worst place to live in. In another survey, Changi Airport came in third whereas KL airport came in second kelong right?

      wat survey is tat ?

      Edited by stupidissmart 03 Apr `08, 11:47PM
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    3,053 posts since Jan '03
    • Just a question huh Uncle Ver SG,

      Do u really think singapore is so lousy, so terrible, so cruel and have nothing good to mention at all ? Do u really think the Gov of singapore r actually inept, stupid, greedy despots tat do not churn out any good idea or any good policies and sit around loafing and collecting million dollar pay ?

      I just have tis idea tat a lot of people here have tis mentality icon_rolleyes.gif

      When they win youth olympics, they complain it is nothing and waste of money. When they come out with any policy they say it is the world's most stupid policy and will surely lose money. When they get voted to be a good place to stay they try to find ways and means to say it is kelong and singapore is the worst place to stay. When they have something to be proud of, they say it is all gov propaganda. When MSK escape, they say singapore gov is useless and they should have a mass resignation and tell the whole world about it.

      I really feel tat singaporean have no pride being singaporean... They felt tat tis is probably one of the worst place to live in and all the achievements etc r overrated.

      Edited by stupidissmart 03 Apr `08, 11:04PM
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    • I think most countries do not offer public gym. The country I knew tat do seems to be switzerland. If u wanna go to gym, u have to subscribe at the same price as california gym u see in orchard rd etc

      I wish the million dollar monkeys can attend the same classes as well. You know who.

      I know perfectly who u r talking but I think they did a scientifically good job so far (except the escape of MSK la)

      For the young and restless, they could like to see the world outside singapore before we can conclude: Hey sinapore is really the best place to live.

      True true... I think one really have to go out and see elsewhere in the world to know wat they really want. My guess is, singapore is really the 34 best city to live in... not the best but not too bad

      Edited by stupidissmart 03 Apr `08, 10:05PM
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    • I look at the survey for the mercer one, which rank singapore as the 34 city in the world, and still find singapore as the best city to live in asia icon_rolleyes.gif

      Of course if u wanna compare with countries which more resources, history and advantages, singapore cannot win them. We r just a small country with little or not resources.

      If u talk about infrastructure, singapore is really offering a lot compared with other countries. The income compared with cost of living is generally on the high side. Despite a lot of grudges, there is no poverty here. No one is dead because they have nothing to eat or they cannot study. The pollution, political stability and safety in singapore is probably unbeatable compared with other countries. System-wise the gov do build good roads, paint the building so regularly everything look new and make the gov system so corrupt free tat red tape and complaints r their biggest problem. They also come out with system such as temasek which had brought additional income to the country (contrary to popular belief in forums)

      The problem however is tat the Gov squash opposition so hard tat is not considered as a democratic nation. Another good point to note is the minister pay is too much while all the gov sector pay remain stagnant. Another potential problem is the Lees are having positions tat seemed to be dubious. Singapore also tend to favour PRs and foreigners more than wat other countries r willing to do. These create a lot of unhappiness among its people.

      It is not a perfect country. The gov poke their nose into too much things. It is a good thing and a bad thing. They scared people r too fat and started to build gyms and swimming pools. (very few countries offer cheap gym services) They scared healthcare and old age and therefore force CPF. (either the countries let private sector manage all the hospital and their costs r more ridiculous or the gov hospitals suck big times) They scared people have no place to live then build HDB. (no homeless people in singapore). They scared the companies provide lousy services and force business to let their employees attend free servicing improvement classes. But the more they do, the more singaporean felt they r controlled and tis bred unhappiness.

       

      Alright alright... I know I am gonna be bombarded left right up down now... com'on shoot me ! shoot me !

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    • To be frank, I think to make singapore not reliant on food from other sources is impossible.

      It is not like like making Japan not reliant on food from outside (they need to import food heavily too) They r much bigger and less densely populated than singapore in tis case.

      Asking singapore to be self reliant on food is as difficult as making the city of Tokyo self reliant on food.

      Which major city in tis world can actually be self reliant on the city itself on food ? It is impossible. No one even wanna try. Even if u use up some land to make agriculture, the land price is too expensive and the food is not gonna be cheaper than buying from other sources. Even if we bulldoze all the buildings down, the land size if not enough for us to be self reliant anyway and we still starve to dead if other sources of food stop their import. So wat is the point ?

      R&D have its limit as well. Food need land, time, sunlight and manpower. We do not have land. Then it is game over. If u compare with water, it just need a water sources. Even if u can make food out of no land, it will be so heavily modified and chemically laden tat it is not popular nor healthy to eat. People r going for organic food now, not chemical food.

      Furthermore, research in agriculture have gone for centuries and even if u give it another 10 years, there will be little improvements to it. It is already a matured field of science. U want tomato to look redder it is redder. U want mushrooms to be bigger it is bigger. U want chicken wings the size of your fist it is already done. Do u wanna pump in billions of dollars of tax money into something which have no outcome ? I think it is futile.

      Asking singapore gov, who have totally no experience in agriculture and food to take a world leader role and pro active role in argiculture and food issue, is like asking babies to teach their grandmother how to plant rice. To be frank, most countries in the world have more qualification than singapore.

      Edited by stupidissmart 30 Mar `08, 11:40PM
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    • it is a buffer. It is not keeping them forever and not selling them. Lets say I have 1 million kg of rice in which I have to consume in 6 months. Lets say singapore eat 1/3 million a month if he keep a buffer of 3 months which make it about 1000 kg a day.

      Lets say update rate is once a day. i have 1 million kg of rice, I import 1000 kg of rice and people consume 1000 kg of the older rice. I left 1 million kg. 3 months buffer. How stale is the rice ? At worst 3 months old. How much I lost ? 0.

      Do I have to make a firesale ? Throw them away ? Give out for free ? No. I just keep them as buffer. I am NOT making any loss at all. I am NOT making the food go bad and stale. I just keep a bigger buffer. Is buffer such a hard word to understand ?

       

      Edited by stupidissmart 29 Mar `08, 6:50PM
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    • Warehouse lor...

      warehouse is sheltered and the rice inside the vacuum bag last pretty long

      we don't need to stack on all food but on necessary selected food.

      And world shortage just means higher price which the consumers have to bear

       

      Lets just think about it as a buffer. They r not storing the food and not selling them and let them rot. They r storing the food and selling them away once the buffer reach its safe limit. It is like a flow process.

      I give an example. I sell TV from France. Every month I sell 100 +- 20 TV. If I import from France, it is cheaper if I import at batches of 500 and above. So wat I do ? I have a buffer. I stockpile 500 TV then sell them for about some months before importing another batch of 500 when my buffer is low like 150 TV. Storing in a warehouse at ulu area like tuas is not impossible or tat expensive.

      Lets say now the 500 TV need time to be manufacture in france and the time difference when I started my order to receiveing the order is 3 months. So wat I do ? I just store a bigger buffer. Previously if my TV is lesser than 120 or 200, I order a new batch of 500 TV. Now when the TV I have is lower than 400, I order another 500 TV. Voila ! I always stockpile at least 1 months of TV at any time ! If I want stockpile for 3 months, I just increased my buffer to 700 TV before placing a new order.

      Now just imagine the above example for food, replacing the TV as tons of rice. Tis is not economically infeasible or difficult.

      U think stockpiling things r difficult ? Almost all consumer goods u see around have stockpiled materials one way or another.

      Edited by stupidissmart 29 Mar `08, 6:29PM
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    • Regardless, the fact is tat the density of rice is very high and u just need the space equivalent of 100 containers