I always thought these army survival courses were totally pointless and completely stupid. (a reflection of the people up there who plan these?)

Teaching you how to kill a chicken, frog, iguana, etc. The question is, can you find it and catch it first? If you can't even catch the animal in a survival situation how the heck you going to need to kill it?

Wouldn't living on easily obtainable foods like fruits (bananas, coconuts, banana shoots, buah cherry, papaya, etc), root tubers (tapioca) and insects be a more highly probable way for the normal soldier to survive?

And when you're really in a survival situation and you're hungry enough, I don't think anyone will have any problems killing anything. I'll just rip it in two if I need to, which makes these courses totally pointless. I won't need to learn how to kill a chicken when I'm hungry. I'll just bash it's skull with a rock till it's dead and throw it on the fire.

Originally posted by eagle:

Erm... in army, during the POW training course, almost everyone could kill a chicken... The only one who took a bit longer was because he forgot to twist the neck...

The technique:
hold the chicken sitting down, then draw a few straight lines in front of it. The chicken will fall asleep. Then twist the neck and pull it hard, and the head will come off. The body will continue to struggle a bit, so hold it down till it stop

We also learned how to kill a frog. First, use one hand to grab hold of the legs, so that it cannot jump. Then smash the head hard on the table a few times to kill it. Then after that turn it over, and deskin it, starting from the abdomen.

Lastly, we were also shown how to kill an iguana for food, although we didn't try. Something like hanging it by the neck, then slitting it to let the blood flow... till it died...

Actually, it is not provable. Most encompassing claims can only be falsified, not proven.

For instance, we can test the claim that "crows are always black" by looking at all the crows we can get our hands on. If we have looked at a goodly number of crows and indeed all of them are black, then we have supported our claim.

However, we have not proven it, because there may be some crow out there that is not black. The single exception disproves the claim, so the only way to prove this is to look at *each and every* crow there is in existence. Actually, that's still not enough, because our original claim is not time-limited. Therefore, we would never be able to prove the claim without being omniscient, because some crow somewhere some day may not be black.

The black swan theory. I'm familiar with it. But now, let's be practical. If every single crow you've seen is black, and I made a bet with you to guess the colour of the next crow we'll see.

Will you put your money and say it's a white crow?

This can be translated into fighting and self-defense. If every fight between a kungfu/akido/TKD/etc. guy against an MMA fighter has been a beatdown for the kungfu/akido/TKD guy, will you still go train in that art?

Problems:
1. Are the ones identified as the best truly the best?

The best were invited to fight. They declined. In his prime, Tyson was personally invited to a fight by Rorion Gracie. Tyson never replied. I don't blame him, he was making millions, why risk it to fight a relative unknown?

The UFC is open to anyone good enough to compete. As long as you can get past the preliminaries, you can fight.

2. Are the best in the various arts today true representatives of their arts? That is, are they the best there can ever be?

Why do they have to be the best they can ever be? Doesn't this same standard apply to the MMA fighter? Not every MMA fighter that enters the cage is the best nor is he the best anyone ever can be.

3. No matter how minimal the rules are, there are rules. Do these rules disadvantage some more than others? Do they give advantages to some?

A usual ploy used by those who will not compete. But I'll humour the question.
What are the rules in question? No eye gouging? No groin strikes? No fish-hooking?

These rules are there to protect the sportsmen entering the cage to fight. Nobody wants to do a sport and end up dead.

The only rules in the initial UFC were no eye-gouging. I think that was all. Yet I still see the same people dominating the field. And the same people getting the beat down.

Let me ask this. If eye-gouging and groin strikes were removed from your repetoire, does that then make an entire martial art useless? That kinda sucks doesn't it, if your entire syllabus focused only on eye-gouges and groin strikes?

And an eye-gouge in mechanics is really no different then a punch. If you can't punch my face (big target), it's unlikely you'll get my eyes (small area).

5. Is there ecological validity? That is, would these results carry over to 'real life'?

For instance, Western boxers tend to lose to BJJ people in the UFC, right?

1. Are the boxers in these fights the best in the world? What about the BJJ people? It's hardly fair pitting C students against lecturers.

Again, it can't be helped if the lecturers were smart and refused to take part, isn't it?

2. Let's say we get the best boxer today into the UFC. Is he the best there ever was? Even if he loses to a particular BJJ fighter, can we conclude that Ali or Dempsey in their prime would have also lost too? The answer is that we cannot.

Again, a strawman argument. Why does it have to be the best boxer against a mediocre MMA fighter? The MMA/BJJ fighter is also not the best in all time. Do you see why this argument is irrelevant? Maeda is dead. Helio is old and frail.

And what does putting Jack Dempsey or Ali to the test do? You're never going to be them, and that's what you want when you train, to protect yourself.

Let's look at sport versus real life now. What happens when you transfer our two fighters from the UFC ring to a bar? This bar has stools all over the place, and broken glass all over the floor.

LOL! And lava too! I've never been to a bar with glass all over the floor, have you?

Ok, I've seen this argument so many times its not funny.

Fact: When you get into a fight with a grappler, it's you who's going to end up on the bottom, not the grappler. So glass, lava, razors, stale pizzas is going to hurt you more than the grappler.

Each of them is separately accosted by a fellow with a hidden knife. The moment the fight gets into full swing, another 2 guys will appear to take knife boy's side.

So why can't another 2 BJJ guys with guns appear and take the grapplers side? Or M16s and bazookas? Why does the grappler always have to be unarmed and outnumbered and out weaponed but the other guy does not face the same? See where this argument is going?

Who's more likely to get badly hurt from this encounter? The boxer keeping his distance and staying on his feet? Or the wrestler who goes into grappling range without immediately disabling his opponent's body weapons, thinking he can take a few good punches while trying to choke out his opponent, not knowing he's about to become good friends with the pointy end of a steel blade?

Do you go everywhere with a knife on you? I don't want to be your friend.

I don't advocate going to the ground in a street fight. The skills are there so you can get up if you were taken there. We don't choose where we want in a fight, it's a dynamic, harsh situation, we deal with what's thrown at us. BJJ just gives one the skills to handle situations on the ground. It's not the be all and end all of martial arts.

Personally I prefer to be well-versed in stand-up, ground and weapons.

But just to play along, you're assuming the grappler won't charge you, lift you and slam you on the back of your neck. Your knives are not going to be much help in this situation.

Even if he prevents his opponent from drawing his knife, can he survive being stomped on by two new foes? And even if he wins, he gets to take home lots of glass shards as souvenirs.

See, again the friends, buddies, knives and glass shards are always presents for the grappler, and never the other way around.

Let's say that tomorrow, a Ninjado fellow joins the UFC. He has really fast and strong legs, and nobody can take him down. He wins all his fights. Does this now mean that Ninjado is teh uber martial art? Or does it mean that this *one* guy is better than the rest, and would likely have won whether his fighting style was Ninjado or ballet?

Until this unlikely event happens (I won't hold my breathe) it's pointless arguing this.

Ok, let's say that a bunch of 400lb monsters all take up ballet for 3 months now, and then they all enter the UFC. They win all their fights against non-ballet people. So we can conclude that ballet is the Most Deadly Martial Art in human history? After all, 3 months of ballet > years of Boxing and BJJ, right? Clearly, such a conclusion would be naive, to say the least.

You do know there's such a thing called the weight category, yes? If you're a 400lbs tutu wearing monster, you're going to be facing a 400lbs muscled monster who has monster cardio, monster punches and monster kicks. Plus monster takedowns and monster chokes to boot.

HINT: No ballet fighter has yet to win the UFC. Does that tell you something?

I like you, at least you're intelligent. Peace.

Originally posted by Short Ninja:

This martial art is practised by the Indonesian Special Forces and it not just a system but also very mystical and spiritual just like the Ninjas.I wonder if there are any practitioner of this art in Singapore?

Yes, but you can't see them as they morph into spirits during the daytime when they're not out killing and maiming people at night. Very dangerous.

Quantifiable means it can be measured. It can be tested.

How is it tested? By putting the best of the best a martial arts has to offer into a fight with minimal rules, and see which one comes out on top.

Repeat. And repeat. And repeat.

If you keep getting the same results over and over again, you've got a conclusion.

When has it been tested? Vale Tudo. Early UFCs. The evidence abounds on youtube, just search for it.

On another forum I read, a "kung fu expert" who's had more than 20 years experience and training, started a street fight by slapping a girl, and an MMA fighter with 2 years training only kicked his ass. Said kung fu expert got taken down, mounted, and punched in the face repeatedly. He cried for the other guy to stop.

Then one of the kung fu expert's cronies, who's had more than 25 years? experience and has trained with the top names in chinese kung fu in China, his sifu is supposedly the decendant of some chinese general, challenged another MMA fighter (who's severly overweight and out of shape, and has only 9 months training) to a fight, this time in a ring. He got punched so bad he tapped out under 2 mins.

Quantifiable.

And yes, it will be as bad as that video suggests. Or even worse. At least the guy getting into the cage is in good physical shape.

>>While true that one may not have the time to think, but everything must still flow smoothly and one must be flexible, whatever techniques you choose. <<

Please elaborate on what you mean by "everything must still flow smoothly" and "one must be flexible."

Then explain how it will help you in a real fight. Please use simple terms and explain it simply for me, using facts that we all understand.

>>Not sure for Western arts, but from a Chinese martial arts view, there's the 5 elements. Each element on its own is a weakness, but when together, is a strong. Water counters fire, fire counters metal, etc. <<

How does that translate to fighting? If you tell any guy in the street that, will he be able to understand what you've just said? Will it make sense to him? Because it makes no sense to me, and has no relevance to real fighting.

There is no difference whether it's western or chinese or middle east martial art. The only thing we should be interested in is, does it work? Is it effective in a real fight? Can it be done with a high probability of success?

If the answer is yes, I will take and use it, I don't really care where it comes from.

>>The defender will need to identify the type, and choose a suitable counter attack.<<

You have an argument with someone at the pub. He insults your wife (or husband). You call him some unflattering names. He starts charging at you and starts to swing for your head.

Now, what element is he? Water, fire, metal, earth, wind, ninja? You have exactly 1/2 a second to answer before his punch lands in your mouth.

>> It doesn't necessary need to flow in the 5 elements order, but the attacks and defends used will be based on the 5 elements itself.<<

Please just answer this very simple question for me. How many real fights have you been in?

Here's a video that shows you how:

1) An ineffective martial art tries to come up with complicated theories about fighting to explain "principals" etc.

2) An ineffective martial art actually looks very deadly and dangerous when done against their own students who're cooperating and not actively tryiing to defend and attack back.

Then it shows you what happens when said martial art, with all its theories and "showiness" and "deadliness" look like when you put them in a real fight.
Despite how good and "effective" it looks in demonstrations and training, in an actual fight it doesn't work. In fact, none of their techniques seem to work at all. That's the funny part.

http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=283564

I think it's bullshit. The only thing I agree, is that martial art, means the art used in warfare.

For example, some of the bullshit I quote below:

"Often within a martial arts school it is taught that 'this exact style is the best system and it was created to beat all the others'. Of course every martial artist would seem to think their style is the best because that is the style they have chosen to do, but in actuality what they are saying is 'this is the best style for me as it suits myattitude and I like the teaching environment'. "

This is a quantifiable thing. It can be tested, it can be proven. And it already has been proven.

"Just because a style doesn't focus on whatever it is you are interested in doesn't make it a bad style, it just makes it not the right style for you."

Remember, what is martial art again? That's right, an art used for warfare. If you bring a sword to war, and I bring an M-16, who's going to win? There's no bad style? How about if you shoot your pistol gangland style without aiming, and I use the weaver stance? Who's going to hit more targets?

"You must maintain 100% safety when entering into the opponents attack range, this means to control any dangers that could occur by being in control of them. (Methods of entry must be sophisticated yet simple, fast as well as safe!) "

This is absolute bullcrap and just goes to show the writer has never even been in a hard sparring match before. There is no 100% safety in a fight. Even the best boxers get hit. A fight is like trying to control a car without brakes down a hill. You just do your best. Anyone who says otherwise if full of crap and has never been in a real fight before.

"The ability to change and - Techniques, attacks and defenses must flow but not necessarily at a constant pace. Adaptability to choose what's next is vital! "

What nonsense is this? You have time and inclination to think about how well your techniques flow in a real fight? And aren't attacks and defense techniques? What's the diff? You don't choose what's next, when your opponent attacks, you defend. It's that simple.

People who know will break it down simply for you. People who don't will try to weave up complicated bull crap to cover up their ignorance.

"P. Sundbye who has been training in various martialarts for the last 11 years including Wing Chun Kung Fu, Aikido, Tong Long and the Lee Total Control system."

No wonder he writes such crap.

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

Scorpion Muay Thai Boxing School is very popular with both male and female enthusiasts from around the world who train for competition, self-defense, ...

Never heard of it..

Done, check your inbox.

Rynax, check your inbox. I sent you a PM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB3sfXnZyyA

Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:

How about challenging me? I havn't even taken any formal training but I can bet I can still kick your butt.

How much are you putting up? Venue?

Originally posted by Skibi:

I believe you are referring to "sparring". Sparring is good because it allows a person to improve his technique.

To clarify some things:
Internal energy is simlar to the physical strength of a bodybuilder. If an accomplished bodybuilder like Mr Ronie Coleman used his full strength he can crush all your bones and do serious injury no matter how much protective gear you use.

Thus although sparring is encouraged, use of internal energy during sparring is frowned upon as the aim is to improved technique and not to injure or harm others. I think fencing is the same... you just tap your opponents vital areas with the tip to win the match.

I give up. Please carry on.

Edited to add: I guess folks like Mike Tyson, Matt Hughes, Mas Oyama, Bas Rutten, Buakaw, Fedor and Cro Cop are all limp-wristed soggy buscuits compared to bodybuilders.

I shudder at the level of delusionment and stupidity demonstrated on this forum.

I take my leave.......

Originally posted by TWE:

Well not everyone who learn internal martial arts training like to fight it out . Most of them are just for self defence which fits into the ethnics and moral values of those who know . If everyone were to learn martial arts just so that they can fight with others to see who is stronger , there will be lots of fighting and mayhem in the streets and due you think you will dare to let your children , wife or gf walk in the streets alone ? Even if they were not be involved in fighting , but they may get hurt by other pples duels also . There are some pple who are sore loser even though lose to you in a fair match , get revenge onto your family members who are less trained then you .

TWE,
I never said it is to fight it out with others to say who's stronger. My intention of entering the ring is self-discovery. To discover for myself what works and what does not. And experienced fighters are one of the last people to want to get into fights (another misconception from people who don't fight?), and this has been the case in my circle of friends, who are all competitors.

Getting revenge on family members for losing a match? This is the 22nd century. There is no such thing happening. Unless it were some blood feud among chi kung practitioners that I'm unaware of.

Most people who fight in the ring become friends afterwards, and exchange tips and even train together. There is no hard feelings, and it is a very positive environment. Most of the posturing and attitude is done before the fight to psyche your opponent, but is not malicious.

If I were buying a gun to defend myself, say, in South Africa, would I just walk into a gun shop and buy the first gun presented to me? Or buy one because I "think" it's good?

No, if my life and safety depended on it, I'd go research on the stopping power of the various calibres of catridges, research which gun has a good record of working, of not jamming or misfiring on the first shot and is accurate in the distance I'm working with etc.

So if your martial art is for self-defense, what difference is it? Don't you want to find out how it'll work on the real world? Or will you just take the word of the gun-dealer (in this case your martial arts teacher) who gets the highest commission for pushing the gun to you?

The ring is one of the most honest places in the martial arts. It can be rigged, but most often it's honest. You cannot lie about effectiveness, or theories. The truth comes out in the ring. If you're lousy, you get beaten. If you don't train hard, you get beaten. If your art and techniques don't work, you get beaten.

And everyone sees it. There is no lying to be done in the ring.

Originally posted by Skibi:

The most important requisite for learning any internal energy art to a high level is that of virtue.

Yang(most common) represent heat and anger. If learnt to a high level without virtue to counter its effects, it will result in the person becoming increasingly violent and explosive. Thus to achieve success one must cultivate the virtue of benevolence and forgiveness. Otherwise the yang energy will be uncontrollable and may cause serious damage to the person and others.

Thus a high master will not fight a person simply because he got scolded nor participate in K1 fights. He has already cultivated a high degree of virtue. An internal energy art practioner who fights at the drop of a hat is probably a low level student.

Skibi,
Just stick with me for a second. Don't take offense, just think in my line of thought.

If I were marketing something that I knew was not as good as other products, or even blatantly untrue, and I knew I would be open to challenges to back up my claims, what would be the logical choice to make to shield myself from such challenges, and still be able to retain my students?

Wouldn't it be to think up some reasons why I cannot be challenged, or asked to back up my claims? Such as one should be virtuous and benevolent when practicing this art and should never accept challenges?

In my experience in the martial arts, it is the very people who compete, and enter the ring to fight, who have the most "virtue". Most of them that I know are humble, peaceful people, and are respectful people on and off the ring. It is the people who do not fight, who are the politicians. They politick, backbite and backstab in an attempt to politick themselves into a position of power within the national martial arts structure, for the sake of money. This has been my personal experience. Throw money and "face" into the equation and then see where all this talk of virtue and benevolence goes, I'm sure you'll be surprised.

I agree with you on benevolence, forgiveness and all that. It makes a good person. However, if you're practicing a martial art for self defense, don't you think it'll be logical to test it out in as real an environment as possible, against as wide a sample of opponents as possible, to verify the truth of your theories? Before you need it?

And there is no loss of virtue to enter a competition to compete. It is a sport. There is no malice or anger at all. Anger will sap you of your stamina and will take away your ability to think, and if you go into a ring angry and swinging wildly, it'll be your ticket to a fast knockout. Every trained fighter knows that.

Virtue is also associated with courage. The masters of old that we respect are all courageous people. Huo Yuanjia is one example. And he was not averse to accepting challenges. Which is why he became good in the first place.

Not testing out your theories is like designing and installing airbags in cars and then not testing them in a real crash, or monitoring how they performed in the real world and then refining them. You would never know that airbags will kill little children, or that they'll fail to fire in certain circumstances, or if the force is too strong, or the airbag deploys too slowly etc. etc.

Originally posted by NewAge:

Dear NoRiceBoys,

If u want to test out XingYi or TaiJi in a real fight go to China and scold the respective master ancestors they will gladly fight u. U can also ask to spar with the Yi Quan people in Beijing and Japan they spar freely. A nearer place to test out respective chinese martial art will be Ipoh or KL, heard the clubs there still accept challenges.

Seriously i do not know why those ppl learning internal martial art do not participate in K1 fights. I myself is not even near the door of TaiJi. I reccomand that u go to sgwutan and post this Q.

Yours sincerely,
NewAge

Dear NewAge,
I have no interest in challenging anyone practicing Xing Yi or Taiji to a fight. They did not claim superhuman power on this forum. From what I know of Taiji (not the type practiced by old folks, but the actual martial art), it is a form of grappling, with joint manipulation and joint locks and throws. From what I see, it can work. High probability? Realistic training methods? IMO, no. There is no active resistance in the way it is practiced (from videos I've seen). Shuai jiao on the other hand, will work very well.

I only ask that people claiming to have supernatural power to back up their claim. That's all. From what I hear, James Randi's offer of US$1 million dollars still stands if you can prove publicly that your superhuman power exists. Sure beats teaching class in communitiy centres don't you think?

Why not ask the masters in the countries you named to take part in K1 and challenge Buakaw Por Pramuk? Or Kaew Fairtex? Or Bas Rutten? Or if you need a nearer location, just sign up at Lumpinee in Bangkok.

A master should challenge another master, shouldn't he? Beating me, a mere student, will be a joke and will make said master a laughing stock even if he could win (emphasis on the word "if"), don't you think?

And Buakaw has never given himself the title "master" so your masters should be able to clean the floor with him easily. Or kill him with one punch when he attempts to clinch and throw knees.

Posting this on SgWutan will achieve nothing but to anger people who practice CMA. What does that achieve if we want to find out the truth of the matter, which is, does chi kung give a person supernatural powers?

Unless the objective is to rally other practitioners to bully me into silence, then what ends does that achieve? What do you as a practitioner (if you are one) gain from that? Continue living in delusion?

On the other hand, I gain totally nothing by holding on to my stand. My only objective, is to help new comers to martial arts know what they're getting themselves into, with both eyes open, and not waste their time and money on something that I know will not be as effective, when there are much better alternatives available.

But if this board is for the sole purpose of promoting a certain martial art or group of martial arts, for commercial purposes, disguised as a forum for all martial artists to discuss their views freely, then I will gladly take my leave.

Originally posted by NewAge:

There are many different types of instructor out there, let me list down some:

1.) They teach bland water down stuff
2.) They teach u wrongly
3.) They teach u correctly
4.) They teach u the mix version
5.) They teach u all the beginner stuff
6.) They teach u what u want to know (bare minimum) at a high price

Usually what u get at seminars are 6.) or 4.)

How many seminars in the US have you been to, in order to make that conclusion?

Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

Don't know about the fighter, but as a fighter, he should know how to criticize a martial art properly, rather than using vulgarities.

No. A fighter only needs to know how to fight. That's why he's called a fighter.

If he called himself a cultured martial artist, on the other hand, then I will agree with you.

But attacking a person's character still does not take away from the logical points that the person has made.

The argument put forth by the person is the only thing that should be judged, on whether it be true, or not. The personality of the person putting forth the argument, no matter if we like him or not, is not what's under debate. Correct?

Although we would be more likely to accept what he says had he said it in a more gentle manner.

BTW, he's not my friend, I don't know him, and frankly I don't really like him as a person, but I think what he says makes a lot of sense.

Originally posted by TWE:

Hmm the so called fighter sounds very egoistic . Well as pple say pride comes before a downfall . Typical ang mo attitude , also a very experienced fighter will never say such things , maybe he suffered some forms of defeat from one of the martial art form that he criticised so badly in his message . So he wrote that to make himself feel better . Like pple said " if you dunno how to swim , don't complain that your swimming pants or suit is too big ."

Instead of making emotional comments, it'll be more constructive to point out which points he makes in his article you disagree with, and give proof of why you think your conclusion is more valid then his.

For me, I just ignore all the cussing in the piece and try to read his message. He is a professional fighter. That means he fights for a living. I would say he has a better idea than all of us on what works and what doesn't. How many fights have we got into in our whole lives, compared to someone who trains for it and does it everyday of his life?

Calling pride typical ang mo attitude is not a fact. There are no statistics to back that up and we're judging them based on our own cultural background.

Saying an experienced fighter will never say such a thing is also untrue. Because 1) the guy who said it IS an experienced fighter, and there are also many other highly decorated martial artists like Gene Lebell who say Akido is bullshit (not my words).

So let's debate the piece logically and with facts instead of emotional outbursts just because we may not like what we hear.

Originally posted by Brend:

What i mean is, the way he bashes these arts shows how disrespectful he is as a person. I don't know him, he may be a nice guy in real life, but still.. pro fighter or not, its what you do in life which people will perceive you as a person.

I believe every arts has its own positive influence. For example, some people may say that TKD is overrated, not a combat art and not to be used in a ring fight. However, i believe TKD instill discipline and confidence into a person. I'll still send my kids for Wushu or TKD classes if they want to.

Basing other arts are just not right. I do not wish to turn this into a flame war so i hope u'll understand what i mean.

I understand what you mean, and I also have no intention for a flame war. I think the message he's trying to get across to ALL martial arts practitioners is this:

After everything is said and done, does your martial art deliver what it's supposed to deliver? Not good health, not discipline, not long life, but the ability to fight and defend yourself in a real confrontation.

Martial = pertaining to war or warfare
Art = the art thereof

Originally posted by Skibi:

Hrm when was this written? China has opened up much in the last 5 years, if he didn't go down to Xiaolin Temple or Wu Tang Clan for a real demonstration then I would take what he said as a pinch of salt. Street performers are definitely not real xiaolin monks lol.

Actually I know a lot of S'poreans are of the opinion that these ang mohs, what the hell do they know about Chinese kung fu. We're Chinese ourselves so we know better.

BUT........the thing is, many of the good kung fu masters, and even what China calls National Treasures, have migrated to the US and are teaching there! And they have many of these high level Chinese masters passing on their knowledge to ang mohs! So what does that leave us in S'pore?

Unless the martial arts teacher travels frequently to China and seeks out the best teachers, most of what they teach should be suspect anyway shouldn't it?

These ang mohs have been practising Bajiquan and Xingyiquan for a long time! I haven't even heard of these two kung fu in S'pore till recently and learnt that they were the arts used by the Manchu elite bodyguards and others whose life depended on it. (Their original training methods v.s. what I see being practiced in S'pore, and whether they're still relevant in today's world is up for debate.)

So give these ang mohs a little more credit, some of them know more than me in terms of Chinese culture and language!

Originally posted by Brend:

lol @ being a pro fighter. Seems like eveyone is a pro fighter these days.

BTW he's not 'open-minded', he's just being bitter.

he's actually quite open minded although abrasive. he'll go check out arts that others decry as total bullshit, watch the video tapes, attend the seminars with instructors of the art he's evaluating before making a conclusion.

He's also a real pro fighter. This is his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBoxX48_tAo

This piece is not written by me. It's written by a professional MMA fighter from other forum, who trains in kung fu + some grappling arts. He is highly abrasive, but he's one of the most open minded person I've encountered.

There's a lot of truth to what he's saying (even though he bashes the art I train in )

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Personally speaking some of the nutriders on this board are fucking bugging the crap out of me. None of you are correct, dissect the arguement all you want the bottom line is can you get the job done? Let's start here:

Wing Chun kung-fu: Like most of the stylized kung-fu systems out there they get caught up in the who's instead of the why's and how's. The fixed positions and the inability to expand out of their systems fighting position leaves it vunerable to take downs, angled attacks, multiple person situations, and takes too long to implement the ideas to practical use.

Taekwondo: You're represented by the biggest morons out there WTF and ATA. These orginizations are out for your money, boosting their prestige, and brain washing you into believing that there is a purpose to what they are doing. All the while, WTF specifically, handing you this crock of shit on how long taekwondo has been in existance. Because of their predjudice outlook toward the karate/Japanese culture in which it originated from they've developed a sport based on a game played over 1000 years ago and make people think they're actually learning how to defend themselves. They refuse to look toward proper training for fighting effectively taking them out of the true realm of martial arts. Now there are some fairly solid TKD orginizations out there but they're not represented by the vast majority thus undermining any attempt at validating their system.

Kempo: Like saying car, there is no true identity for this system of martial arts. Are we Japanese, American or Chinese. Who give a rats ass. Most systems have tried their damndest (is that really a word?) to validate a fairly effective group of fighting techniques while others get bogged down in the muck of trying to lay claim to some wierd Chinese Shaolin authenticity. Kenpo/Kempo has been represented over many years as some of the hardest hitting, most ferocious fighters in existance. There was a reason they became popular but because of greeed they watered it down to a state where you'd be lucky to find an instructor that wouldn't get you killed in your first encounter on the street. Now a majority of kempo guys are fat, out of shape fucknuts who are more interested in getting your check book then getting in shape. They have gone the way of TKD but fortunately most schools are changing for the better and maybe in the next decade or so they can rise to the prestige they deserve.

Shaolin Kung-fu/Wu Shu: Doesn't exist people it's fucking myth, as a martial arts you are learning to be a fucking gymnast/ballet dancer. Fucking stage performers are all they are. If you like that shit fine but stop licking the balls of these so called Chi masters as if most their stuff wasn't parlor tricks and simple athletic acrobatic techniques. Simple and to the point.

Other systems of Kung-fu: if you aren't training in modern ways then you're not training in Kung-fu. Systems were not to be mired down to tradition they were supposed to change with the time, passing on techniques that worked and adding new ones on to make their respective kwoons "bad ass". Unfortunately you've all seen too many Jet Li and Jackie Chan circle jerk movies and believe half that shit is real. It's the fucking movies people get over it.

Judo: Fucking turning into a bunch of pansies I swear, they outlaw so many moves we're soon going to be left with nothing but a pussified sumo match where only pushing is allowed.

Jujitsu: The problem here is identity. Like so many arts Jujitsu wears many masks and covers many different areas of grappling. Some Jujitsu systems look like modern MMA events while others are so bogged down in theoretical shit that they have no comprehension on what works and what doesn't work. Bottom line is if you haven't done it against a fully resisting opponent you'll have no idea if it'lll really work. Most of these practitioners get tied down to tradition and never question for a second their "masters" teaching because they've seen him/her throw some cooperative bitch around. Find Jujitsu that works people.

Brazillian Jujitsu: Unfortunately for BJJ schools around the world they're represented by a bunch of newbie snot nose punks. I've seen the way they teach classes and it's a psychologists dream world. A bunch of Males trying to establish a level of Alpha dominance and force their peers to submit and thus establishing a pecking order in the microcosm that is. Two type of guys come out of these gyms. The guys that learn decent technique because they put their ego asided establish a good level of respect for one another and learn and the fuckers who develope a bully mentality and never get past their own ego. There's nothing wrong with pride until the pride gets in the way of true learning. I saw over a dozen BJJ fighters go into matches against 'inferior' styles because they saw Royce Gracie do it in the UFC. Unfortunately most of those guys forgot they were doing a sport and the Gracies had been accepting challenges for decades before the UFC came around, their style was designed in neutralizing the mono stylistic stand up fighter who believed they couldn't be taken down. The guys that get mired into the BJJ is all you need to know get caught up into the same downfalls as all the other systems that eventually failed due to their inability to change. The minute you don't fear and give respect to another style is the day you're going to leave yourself open to defeat.

SAMBO: Got caught up in nationalistic pride and failed to branch out beyond the neccessity that developed in the first place. Look we can do throws and all kinds of joint locks but we won't choke people out. How much sense did that make? Fortunately it has made the changes neccessary but sport sambo has not changed with the time and will not succeed until it gets over a lot of the rules that limits it's capablities. Most sambo guys turned to jujitsu, judo and wrestling, you rarely see a pure samboist anymore. Then you have that group that got caught up in the "combat" aspect of sambo. Take a look at the Jujitsu section of this and find out what we think about theoretical martial artist.

Ninjitusu: God what a bunch of freaks. Can this shit work, I guess so but whats your fucking goal, you want to be a power ranger or a fucking Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle. Seriously, what's the point in doing Ninjitsu? Fuck Ninjitsu up its fucking ass I have no respect for the art so I might as well end this shit right here. I here the Taijitsu hand to hand can be quite effective but the other stuff is queer eye for the straight guy gay.

Aikido: WTF, artful form of evasion that's all this is. Great fucking concept but stop saying you're a martial art, you're not. If you're not going to engage the opponent and you're a bunch of whining pacifistic cultist seeking enrichment then fine, go eat your tofu and circle jerk in the corner and leave the real martial artist to the real people. Don't get me wrong I love some of this shit but if you like most of the aspects and want to learn how to defend yourself find an Aikijujitsu school that does some level of sparring and leave this shit to the ball room dancers.

Muay Thai: Muay Thai is not kickboxing people, it's what they do but it's not kickboxing. I'm sick of hearing this shit. Muay Thai teaches more than sparring in the ring. Great form of fighting terrible for self-defense. What's that? You heard me, specifically for guys. After you elbow somebody in the face and knee the crap out of their body what are you going to tell the cops "oops?". God no, if you want to learn self-defense take some Japanese Jujitsu/Combat SAMBO stuff, at least if the theoretical stuff doesn't work you can beat the crap out of them afterwards.

Kickboxing: It's a fucking sport people get over it.

Boxing: They're all jealous of MMA fighters. I hate boxing. Hate it.

Wrestlers: Being on your back is not gay.

Freestyle grapplers: This includes the grappling gambit here, going to the ground on the street sucks ass. Been there, done that, if you have and got away untouched you got lucky.

Krav Maga: Probably one of the most effective theoretical based systems I've come across next to Combat sambo. But then again you saw what I said about Combat SAMBO. Unfortunately they got greedy too and allowed a bunch of half educated punks go out and teach there system for obscene amounts of money only to teach nada.

So these are the nutriders I've come across in my nearly 4 years with bullshido formerly known as Mcdojo.com. It's been said before but let me summarize it for you. If you are at a school and you're happy so be it. If you want to look for an effective system that you can learn how to fight you must learn stand-up and grappling. If you want to learn self-defense make sure there's some level of effective sparring that allows you to attempt some of the theoretical ideas. For those stand up guys that think they can't be taken down I hope a grappler comes along and drops you on your head. For those grapplers who think they can take anybody down I hope you get KTFO. For those of you who don't spar and think your shit really works I hope you get mugged and for all you bullshit artist that weren't even worth my time in mentioning I hope you contract a painful disease and die like the piece of shits you are.

*PS if I missed your style up here and you think you need to say someting let me intercept you comment and use the universal ::: middle finger :::: salute.

Originally posted by Skibi:

It is better to seek demonstration from a master who knows how to control the amount of force rather than students like us. In this way you can experience how powerful the internal energy art is without getting hurt.

Skibi,
Just out of curiousity, how did the "Master" demonstrate his chi to you? What exactly did he do to make you believe he had chi?

Originally posted by Skibi:

It is better to seek demonstration from a master who knows how to control the amount of force rather than students like us. In this way you can experience how powerful the internal energy art is without getting hurt.

Karate is different from internal energy arts because they apply brute force. Most of the karate people hands are often rough and calloused, but an internal energy master's one is not. Even though both can chop thru wood, bricks etc... So far I haven't heard of karate able to chop metal, but those Xiaolin Monks can do it.

Skibi,
I hate to break it to you, but there's a lot of scams and trickery in the martial arts circle. Especially CMA. You're an educated man, you will understand what I mean.

Even in TKD, you know what we used to do to the wooden blocks before we kick them? We soak them in water to get them water logged, then put them out in the hot sun to make them super brittle. Not much force is needed to break them.

For some other materials like bricks, they will make small stress fractures on it before the breaks, like doing what I just described, or else there's a hollow in the centre part where it's weaker than the rest. Or you can also saw a bit on the ends to make it break there.

AFAIK, karate doesn't do all these bullcrap, they're real hardcore one so I respect them. They don't "chuo shou jiao" to the things they break, they train their body till they can break them.

On chopping metal, think about it. What kind of metal do you assume it is? Metal can be hard (and brittle) or tough (and malleable). You can make steel very very brittle by introducing a very high carbon content, heating it up then dunking it in oil or water to cool it rapidly. Steel in this state is very brittle and contain tiny stress fractures in it.

In the normal steel manufacturing process, you follow this process by annealing. You heat the steel up, then let it cool at a controlled temperature to let the steel molecules arrange themselves in a stable matrix, this takes out the brittleness in the steel.

If you don't anneal it the steel is very hard, but very very brittle. I will even break just by dropping it from a man's height on a floor and a part of it hit's something. The longer you make it, the easier it will be to break it.

See this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EQWCpnIR8

If you think what the monks are breaking is normal steel that's been manufacturered in the normal way, I'll bet money for them to replicate it with steel of my choosing.

You know that's just not possible. Bone, no matter how dense, will never be harder than high carbon steel manufactured in the correct way. Think logically for a second and you will know what I say is true.

This is just one area of making you believe in the impossible, because you're assuming the steel is normal, when it is not. There are lots of others.

Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:

Make someone impotent actually is not impossible, but not by breathing... you need to disrupt his body's internal energy...

It's called a knee to the nuts.