Originally posted by TIB1224Y:

VIN full list. From Wikipedia and personal source.

On a personal note, I also remember some buses with the VIN. WEB61232321099027. Easy to remember once it takes some time to get the hang of it. Crazy it seems.

For a manufacturer who produces less than 500 vehicles a year can not need to follow the VIN international convention, but their own convention of manufacturer indentification.

U31 VIN might be due to the JDM side as the chassis might have been destined for Japan market. I am not too sure about that point, but Japan buses do have a funny trend of putting model numbers first.

Changing your post after someone had corrected the mistakes is totally uncool. There wasn't even any acknowledgments. Has people stopped saying thanks?

Originally posted by ZYX2005:

SCANIA BUS MODEL CODES

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The 5th series was launched and Scania decided to ue HP rating in part of its chassis n moel coodes. Following the likes of MAN bus.

The fifth series retaind the first letter codings but replaced the rest of the numbers with HP ratings. the rear letters remain the same type.

Example: Scania K230UB - rear engine (K) - 230HP rating - Urban Bus
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Scania's Latest Chassii Code

 

Eg: K 230 UB 4x2 LB

 

K - Engine Location

K = Longitudinal rear engine

N = Transverse rear engine

 

230 - Power Code

9-litre Euro 4: 230, 270, 310 hp

9-litre Euro 5: 270 hp

12-litre Euro 4: 340, 380 420 hp

 

Chassis Model

These two designations are combined to identify the chassis model:

N230, N270, N310

K230, K270, K310, K340, K380, K420

 

U - Type of Transport

U = Short distance on even, surfaced roads. Normal drive and ride comfort. Main focus on city segment.

I = Short or long distance on even and uneven, surfaced roads. Normal drive and ride comfort. eg. intercity

E = Long distances on even, surfaced roads. High drive and ride comfort. Main focus on coach segment.

 

B - Chassis Adaptation

B = Without special adaptation

A = Articulated

D = Double-decker

 

4x2 - Wheel Configuration

4x2 = Two-axle vehicle with drive on one axle

6x2/2 = Three-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One tag axle wothout drive in front of the drive axle. eg. articulated buses

6x2*4 = Three-axle vehicle with drive on one rear axle. One steered axle without drive behind drive axle. eg. double-decker coaches

 

L - Chassis Height

E = Extra low (low front and rear)

L = Low (low front, normal rear)

M = Low (low front and middle, normal rear), articulated

N = Normal (normal front and rear)

 

B - Suspension

B = Air suspension front and rear

I = Air suspension front and rear. Independant front suspension

 

That's all folks!

The first character on the VIN doesn't neccessarily mean the country of manufacture. This is a misconception that many people (including myself) had. Actually, it is part of a unique 3-character code called the World Manufacturers Index (WMI). That first character is the country where the manufacturer is based. The OC500 is manufatured in Spain but its VIN starts with WEB. WEB is the WMI for Evobus, a company based in Germany but with manufacturing facilites in other European states. All buses from Evobus, no matter in which country they are made, starts with WEB. Another example is the Volvo B10TL. Its VIN starts with YV3 (Volvo Bus, Sweden) but it was manufactured first in Scotland, then in Poland.

 

For most cases, the chassis is manufactured from the country where the company is based. For example, Scania (Sweden, YS4 or YS2). However, there are manufacturers with 'sister' companies based in other countries. These companies operate independantly and have their own line of products although they are a part of the same organisation. An example is Mercedes-Benz do Brasil (9BM). Scania have one too. There are Scania buses, like the K124 360, whose VIN starts with 9BS (Scania no Brasil).

Originally posted by iveco:

Some of the OF1417s had NZMB body, like the B57s.

Yes and this was a problem when they lost their markings. Some services (eg. 13) run both of them and you can't tell them apart from far. Many times I was happy to see a B57 (my fave) coming only to find out later that its an OF. Same problem for the O305 (fave) and the Atlantean (eg. 147).

Originally posted by sBs_boy:

Not forgetting that the bus will always jerk whenever it changes gear...

The 1978-82 vintage (red seats) Atlanteans were always 'flatchanging' during their final years and it was quite nasty (but fun). The 84-86 ones (blue seats) were a bit better but I still call them the "Rock and Roll Bus".

Originally posted by iveco:

I think the LO2Xes also had pneumocyclic trannies. The acceleration sound like manual gearbox.

The Leyland Olympians for SBS used the Leyland Hydracyclic gearbox. The Hydracyclic was developed from the Pneumocyclic, Leyland's established air operated gearbox. For more info on the Hydracyclic, refer to the article posted in the link below. There's also info on the Leyland TL11 engine.

 http://www.brindale.co.uk/ach/prv_site/leyland_titan.htm

 

Originally posted by AEW5001:

Let me make this clear once n for all:

 

I agree w those statistics, but it FEELS LIKE its low powered, thats all

In what way does it feels like its low powered?

Originally posted by tintinspartan:

I think SBST needs to spend some money on new tires to suit the DDs. I do have concerns over the DDs at Kent Ridge. High performance tires are recomended.

Why do you think SBS needs new tyres for the DDs? What are your concerns regarding the DDs at Kent Ridge? Why are high performance tyres recommended? Please elaborate.

Originally posted by Scania:

Mercedes Benz do Brasil is a different entity from Evobus, with their own chassis range, even though buses manufactured by the two companies have Mercedes Benz  badges.

The B10TLs, which were produced in the UK and in Poland have YV instead of SLV (UK) or the Polish one.

So, what you're saying is that even though the B10TL was made in the UK, for which its VIN should start with S, it still starts with Y, which is for Sweden? Hence, the first character of a VIN actually denotes where the manufacturer originates from as opposed to where the chassis is produced?

Originally posted by Powered_By_CNG:

All OC 500 LE, OC 500 LF, and OC 500 RF chassis' are built by Evobus Ibérica in Sámano, Spain -  yes, even the Australian examples.  The chassis prefixes do not represent the country of manufacture.  It only identifies the manufacturer of the vehicle (in this case, Evobus - a manufacturer based on Germany but with plants in other countries including in Spain, France, and Turkey).

Regards,
Dave

Dave, isn't the first character on the VIN indicates the country of origin? If that's the case, then ScaniaN113CRBluver may have a point. I'm sure it doesn't mean the country where the manufacturer is based. There are Scania and Mercedes chassii which begin with 9, indicating that they were made in Brazil. According to a list which I have, Spanish made chassii should begin with V. I would appreciate if you can clarify further on this matter.

 

Thanks.

Paint It Black! SMRT is doing the "Tour of Duty".

 

I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black
I see the girls walk by dressed in their summer clothes
I have to turn my head until my darkness goes
Hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..hm..

The wheels were silver just 2 days ago. Was the picture taken today? Lucky I got my first picture before the wheels were painted.

Dave have proved to be a reliable source of information in this forum.

Thanks for the insight, Dave.

Hmm....and how much does this additive cost? Will the company absorb the cost or will it be passed down to commuters? Fuel prices have gone up, bus fares is very likely to go up too? Will it be soon enough to hold the new buses until the fares are increased?

Originally posted by TIB1018B:

HGDEP got SBS997A, SBS1688K as well as all the 20 Dennis Tridants.

BBDEP only has SBS9889U, whereas ARBP has none.

AMDEP/BRBP only has SBS9888Y. SBS81S and SBS3572Y are gone already.

BNDEP only has SBS2888T. The 2 SBS bendys are being sold, no longer in Singapore. (Don't forget that SBS999U originates from ARBP serving servicve 195)

SLBP in fact got the most number of unique buses which I believe. It has SBS8030L, SBS8033D, as well as all the CNGs and the MK4 Soon Chows.

Yes. So its safe to say that all the depots have had their share of demos. Its not a matter of biased or anything, IMO. It just so happens that currently Soon Lee has the most because they are quite recent additions whereas the other demos/unique buses have been withdrawn.

Originally posted by Oceane:

It's 81S.

I'm also having high hopes on 8031J to be in AMDEP, simply because 1) technicians have had experience on MAN buses before and 2) lots of AMDEP services recently received K230s, not to mention 72 and 133 that are coming up.

Not being biased, but any depot except SLBP will do. It's high time other depots have a taste of demos.

And what if the MAN goes to BNDEP? (Just dreaming)

SLBP just recently got its share of demos. Other depots had their share already. Ang Mo Kio had the Leyland Lynx and MAN 16.240. Bedok had the 2 Bendys. Hougang had the most demos, I beleive. The Van Hool B10M, the B10MD, 997A etc.

Originally posted by XiaoTaro:

Actually, many many many years back (i think its in 1995), there are money changing machines in Yishun Int. The machine was as big as a avm at mrt stations. However, no idea what happened to the machines, proberbally someone found the usage too low and decided to remove it?

Actually, many many years before 1995, there were coin changing machines at every bus interchange. They were introduced in the mid 80s when all the bus services become One-Man-Operated and paying the exact fare was required. The machines were red and they were about the size of a vending machine. You put your note at the top and KA-CHING!, the loose coins will fall into a metal bowl below. Initially it accepted $1 or $5 notes. Later, $2 notes were also accepted and a slot was also added for $1 coins. With the introduction of the magnetic farecard in the 1990s, most people don't need to change coins anymore and the machines fade away.

Originally posted by brotherchen1982:

Anyone knows what is this machine???

This is called a ballast tamper or tamping machine. It is used to pack the ballast under the tracks to make it more durable.

I agree with Superbus. I mean, as much as you would like to sell, there's nothing much you can do if there's no one to buy. It is sad but scrapping might be the best option in view of the high price in scrap metal.

 

Maybe the problem for the TurboCity is the availibilty of spares and they are not as widespread in Malaysia as MAN. Some ex-Cityliner/Intrakota MANs have been sold to Central Pahang and Town Bus of Melaka. There could be some MANs in the lot but they might stand a better chance of being sold. As for O405, I don't think Intrakota/Cityliner have any. The only ones I've seen are from Transitlink JB.

 

As for 'why replace them when they are working fine?', this reminds me of a particular Chinese bus company in Melaka. I believe this company enjoys a big profit from running a cross-border service which seems to be always full of people. But they are among the last when it comes to new buses. Their express buses are much to be desired. They may have 1 or 2 new buses now but it came eons after other companies have upgraded theirs. Their old express buses are put into service for their domestic routes and they will continue to run for another 10 years (maybe more) or until the bus collapses, whichever comes first.

Although MAN buses are popular in Malaysia, the same can't be said for SG. SJE is the only operator with regular buses while SBS only had 1 unit. Recently, Five Star Travel have acquired new MAN DD coach(es) but the marque still remains scarce here. The prospect of having MAN buses in SG is something I have been looking forward to. I hope this new demonstrator will provide good feedback and hopefully it will lead to the purchase of more buses.

All in good time. These SD WABs are the replacements for the SDs which have been/going to retire. I believe there will be orders for more DD WABs in the future.

Originally posted by lemon1974:

cos of henderson road loh.

Which part of Henderson Rd?

Originally posted by SBS n SMRT:

But always at peak service, a lot of pple go 2nd floor and stand like 1st floor and bc did not care and the bus sometime top heavy and like want to fall

That is exactly why standing is not allowed on the upper deck. Overloading on the upper deck may cause the the bus to topple. Although most BCs would pretend not to see, there was one occasion I encountered where the BC came upstairs and told the standees to come down.

What to do? 99 is not under SLBP, mah. But don't worry lah, it will get the K230 eventually.......once the Mk IV and VO are phased out! :-D