Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

What about below?

Are they fair views about Lee Kuan Yew?

http://www.feer.com/free-interviews/2006/october/

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/archives/2007/

http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/smu

fair enough.... this is the kind of rebuttal you should do first, not the sdp site.

i'd think something along this line is a fairer view...

http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/magazine/1999/990823/lee1.html

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

lionnoisy, do you have good impression of Lee Kuan Yew?

http://uncleyap.blogspot.com/2

http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/news

here's the problem.... mr poh....

the two links are either pure sdp or sdp-connected.

refering to such links probably underlines how one feels about any particular issue. if one is to really fair, one should provide links for pro and against...

.... i've always doubted the 60/40 rating you give to lky.... i'd say you will have zero liking for lky.

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

1st you say he does not exist and did not publish anything,

 

"there is no such person currently in the staff list.

...he has not published any"

 

now you want to quarrel about his titles...

You are just an as-sniffing blind dog that thinks he/she is a lion....

your view points can flip flop... other people's view points cannot flip flop???

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

"and what was the cert all about???" ???

 

After you lied (and showed your so called proof) over and over again for months that it is nothing but a certificate of participation, you now ask "and what was the cert all about???" ???

Damned despots and their lying as-sniffing delusional dogs. hahaha (in your case have to add "delusional")

sooooo.... what's the cert all about.... and WHEN is your book coming out?

Originally posted by ivebeenhad:

Until today you are unable to comprehend the meaning of the ba chor mee story, just like our beloved PM.

why dont you ttell PAP to PUT CCTV everywhere during the next GE so that they can catch CSJ make any small mistake, then use it as their manifesto when contesting in same grc as him. focus on his damn bloody mistakes, flash it all over the gahmen controlled media.

the point is: the CCTV was not place to catch anyone on purpose. all goverment offices have CCTV installed as a security measure.

if gomez is caught, then he is outright stupid.

i have heard from people who went to school with him that he is an incorrigible egomaniac.

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

1st let's take your lies. They are lies because they are untruths and yet you believe and repeated them for MONTHS. That you believe and repeated untruths (not real, not based on reality, delusionary) makes you a delusional.

 .... but you are suppose to come back with a list of my "lies"...

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

2ndly, the latest incident. You have some sort of delusion that just because it is getting better for the US, the US stock market must shoot up continuously and immediately. That is really a delusional expectation. You also use as an example where the US market dropped 0.24% of how it is not getting better! That is only one day trade and it is only 0.24% and for you to use it as an example, that shows how delusional you are.

 so is the US economy getting better or not....

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

Looks like the US economy is not about to help the despots escape destroying Singapore with their policies of greed, high costs and the relentless push of property prices upwards.

 

Stocks Plummet After Retail, Unemployment Data- AP

Wall Street plunged Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrials down more than 340 points as retailers and the Labor Department added to the mountain of dismal economic news that has all but dashed investors' hopes for a late-year recovery.

 

Dow Jones Industrial Average

(DJI: ^DJI)

Index Value: 11,188.23 Trade Time: 4:04PM ET Change:  344.65 (2.99%) Prev Close: 11,532.88 Open: 11,532.48 Day's Range: 11,176.02 - 11,532.48 52wk Range: 10,732.00 - 14,280.00

 

Despots, their as-licking dogs, and the kiasu silliporeans will pay big time from the greed (despots), the love-sickness (as-licking dogs) and the fear of the despots (kiasu silliporeans), this time.

so you got a book to sell or not??? is that a lie or not???

and what was the cert all about???

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

There was one time I bought a book from Mr Jeya BJ when he was selling it along Orchard Road and gave it away without reading it.... hahaha...  whether I read it or not, I will definitely buy Dr Chee's book hahaha...

at least dr chee got book to sell.... where's your's,  Pok Kai?!

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

I am just expressing my opinions.

Hello, if my intention was to convince anyone, would I call them dogs and silliporeans?... I am not from the opposition. 

.... so only you can express opinions....???

other peoples opinions are delusional...???

you not from the opposition, you from P4P???

Originally posted by yamizi:

APKY is back!!!

...but same song leh....

Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:

Right so give this LKY his fuckin medal and have him shot dead and then give the same medal to the executioner.

Easy solution. Right?

i am sure your priest or pastor will be extremely please with your choice of words.

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

I agree.

There must be a balanced view.

Cannot only talk about positive side but neglect negative side, or talk about bad don't talk about good.

We must be fair.

I am very kind to Lee Kuan Yew, I give him 60% good, 40% bad.

But if he doesn't die soon, I might adjust it more to the bad part.

he cannot really control when he will die.... actually i don't understand your fixation over when his death will be... in the grand scale of things, how does that affect you???

you keep saying we must be fair.... unfortunately you are not very fair in your comments on LKY. fact is, you are no different from those who worships him, except in reverse.

... fact of life is, most of the time we only look at the good side of things of famous people, unless the person is your mortal enemy where then you will only look at the bad side of things.

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

 

I better repeat it in case some blind people never see it....

Let me put it on record that I think that the situation in the US is getting better but Asia has some way to go and the despots' run dot will suffer further because of the high prices of properties and generally high costs engineered by the despots to force the singapore coolies to work harder.

 so getting better means what???

Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:

What are you expecting, that when the situation in the US starts to get better, the US market shoots up immediately? Produce a chart where the market went down 0.23% to prove your point? Stupid delusional. hahaha...

The point is this despot run country will be having a much harder time because the despots pushed up property prices relentlessly and pushed up costs relentlessly in the land of silliporeans... hahahaha...

.... if the stock market is not indicative????

Originally posted by Fantagf:

I don't agree.   For example, there are some who are well informed that the transport fares will be increased.    When the day comes they start the fares increase, the well informed are already aware of it.    Those ill informed do not know about the increase.

errmm.... i think this is an extremely naive manner of define what is well informed and wht is not. i actually find this funny....

fare hikes information are all over the so-called controlled media.... if the controlled media is not even reaching the masses, then what kind of "propanganda" is this?

if, for example, there are some other source that gives a spin to the "true" reason for the fare hikes (and this reason is NOT found in the controlled media) (say, the fare hike is to pad the pockets of the politicians) than I'd say those who know are the well-informed and those who don't are ill-informed.

if any information (such as the one your cite) is not know to any individual.... I'd don't even call this individual ill-informed.... i'd say he's living under a rock. if a guy chooses not to read the mainstream media - that's his own fault.

Originally posted by Fantagf:

When you meet the person you will know.   To me someone who praise LKY for his nuisance is brainwashed.   

therefore the issue is NOT the praise of LKY per se, but for what he is praised for, am I right?

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

 

I don't agree with your view.

You can tell whether a person is well informed or ill informed.

 

that conclusion can only be drawn by the well-informed. the ill-informed has no point of reference to know the left from the right.

it still goes back to the person attempting to draw that conclusion, but if the person trying to draw this conclusion is yourself, than only you can decide if you are well-informed or ill-informed to make any conclusion.

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is due to my frustration that Lee Kuan Yew is still alive.

 so your frustration has caused you be excessive and there is no moderation and balance????

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is true.

We must not be excessive.

There must be moderation and balance.

That is why I want diversity of opinion.

Because opinion is diverse, there is balance.

No propaganda is dominant.

All state propaganda will cloud judgement.

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

That is true.

We must not be excessive.

There must be moderation and balance.

That is why I want diversity of opinion.

Because opinion is diverse, there is balance.

No propaganda is dominant.

All state propaganda will cloud judgement.

i hope so.... but on occasions you are known to have gone into a tirade of needless expletives....

Originally posted by Fantagf:

That is what you see in forums.   Personally, I still meet quite a fair bit of people who are not well informed. 

allow me to throw in another view:

you meet a person who is full of praise for the ruling party: do you conclude that he is brainwashed or well-informed?

you meet another person who has nothing good to say about the same party: do you conclude that he is brainwashed or well-informed?

you see, whether we define some ELSE as brainwashed or well-informed is greatly determined by where we stand and what we are inclined to support.

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

You didn't reply to my question.

Which sort of society do you prefer?

A more brainwashed one or a more well informed one?

There is no 100% of course.

There is a more brainwashed and a more well informed.

of course well informed.....

so are we less well-informed inspite of the supposed control of the media by the garmen?

my question is NOT whether our media is controlled or not, but are we already well-informed?

because i think we are already well-informed, that's why i say that most of us are NOT truly brainwashed.

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Collective intelligence is superior to a single individual's intelligence.

collective intelligence IS superior to a single individual's intelligence insomuch  that the individuals that makes up the collective operate a selfless platform for the betterment of the group.

unfortunately, i have a very pessimistic view that selfless individuals are far and few in between.

especially so in the world of politics where it's survival of the fittest (and probably the most ruthless). even if there is no ruthlessness involved, the egos of the individuals will get in the way.

Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:

Which is better to you:

Brainwashed public or well informed public?

again.... i don't believe there is such a thing as totally "brainwashed" or totally "well-informed".

unfortunately, the human race is not a hive mentality. we interpret issues based on our level of understanding and the maturity of our minds.

if we all can agree that there are so many avenues for one to go to, to be "well-informed" then there is really no issue on how we get our information.

even a clown website from SDP is not banned, so anyone who wish to be "brainwashed" by chee can do so there, of course the reverse argument is also true, that one can received "well-informed" sources from The Democrat.

as long as we are not Pyongyang, I really don't see how the garmen can clamp down anything much. If they want to control the press, control lah... I cannot foresee some inept cops knocking at my door tonight.

Originally posted by skythewood:

there are non state sponsored medias. just that they get sued alot.

unfortuately most of these do not know how to choose words carefully and do more research to substantiate their claims.

Originally posted by Fantagf:

Sing praises of PAP?  Yes and no.   I know of doctors in govt hospitals who sing praises to bootlick.    LIke Uniquely Singapore, sounds like You need Lee, Singapore.   Kena sai really.    These people are one sack track.  

Sing praise to LKY's past contribution sounds reasonable.   Sing praise to LKY's nuisance is bootlicking, not acceptable to me.

PAP not only get one scholar to join them they get so many scholars to join them.   But how effective are these scholars, ha ha ha, a joke.    Is that one scholar you mentioned balakrishnan vivian?      vivian looks sissy.

so it goes back to: how many are truly "brainwashed"???

actually to some, sing praises of LKY's past contribution is also a no-no.

not vivian.

Originally posted by maurizio13:

Non-partisan democracy.

 

this, too, has it's disadvantage.... just wiki this one.