Originally posted by webben:

Dear oh dear.  There is plenty of money in this industry.  The issue is that women are either being brought in under false pretenses, or that they're returning home without their just dues.  Prostitution and the necessary relief to foreigners and Singaporeans doesn't have to be at the expense of the girls.

Actually, I can't believe your mentality.  Are you suggesting that exploitation is worth it somehow?  Are you not human?

As i said i have been merely voicing a reason why the government is not cracking down on them. IT does not mean i condone it. It might help all of us if you are able to divorce rationality with your emotions. Anyway  how much money there is in the industry does not equate to how much money there is in the pocket of those who are patronizing them. Yees it is sad that they are being exploited and as i said it just so happens that if we were to turn it around WE would have to suffer the consequence. Would you allow your mother or sister to be raped? or would rather let some foreigner to bite the bullet? Brutal and harsh but this is the way things go..

Originally posted by webben:

No disrespect Pistonf, but fuck you for your lack of intellect.  Seriously!

Nobody is saying that ugly folks don't need sex, usually via prostitution, and nobody is suggesting an end to it.  The issue at hand is that prostitution is available at the exploitation of foreigners.  You pay $40 or whatever, which is enough for the girl to have sex with your ugly face, but *SHE DOESN'T RECEIVE THE MONEY*.  THAT my friend is exploitation.  The pimps grab it, the debtors grab it, they overstay because they haven't received payment, and at the end of it she's been raped by one hundred ugly-as-you bastards and takes home NOTHING.

The ugly fucks are paying reasonable money for sex with relatively hot women, yet after all the duress those said women aren't receiving their dues.  THAT is exploitation.

I'm sure that your dick was half/twice/up-to-you the size of your brain and compassion that you can understand what I'm saying.  But sadly I doubt it.

 

 

MY point is that exploitation keeps the cost down. Exploitation provides the Foreign workers. I unlike you do not wear my heart on my sleeves, what i do not say does not mean i agree or disagree. If asking about personal opinion i would definitely say that exploitation is wrong and so is prositution. However this is not the point being debated.

If the Government comes down hard and we run our of prositutes will you take over? The Government has no choice all Man are born with an equal insatiable LUST however unequal standing in life. Some are born rich attractive or have other attributes that enable them to get attached. Others find religion or believe in ethics that help control their "urges". BUT there are others who fall outside of all the above categories and require such a service. However if we rely on prositutes who are legal and willing will there not be a lack of supply and as the rules of economics dictate will there not be an increase in price of such "deplorable" services? So if the males are unable to afford the prositutes now, where do u think they would go to vent their "urges" ? DIY? Nothing beats the real thing. Thus the Government is merely protecting the interest of SINGAPOREANS which it was sworn in to do. This may appear Harsh but we do not live in DIsney Channel. There must be compromises made and not coming down hard is choosing the lesser of two evils.

i am not sure but did CSJ make a fuss of it?

Er i thought TS is asking if LKY sniggered but u guys talk as though he did.

Originally posted by fymk:

Maybe you didn't comprehend what I have been writing. Read again if you deem yourself smarter than the rest of us.

You already formed your personal bias against normal stream students. I am telling you what I had experienced as a normal stream student. To be told by some teachers that you and your fellow classmates won't ever do well , will never go to university etc , and your excuse for some of those lousy teachers ? Overworked government civil servants ?

Some overworked government civil servants actually helped us out but then again you have to reread my whole statement on it. But those are the sad few who actually gave a damn about us. Even the worst students in my class respected them by not playing up during lesson time.

It is my personal experience and I was on the other side.

 

i am nt using it as an excuse but using it proof the point that they are noble people therefore they would do smth such as being bias against Na.You are admitting that there are teachers who helped you so does it not show u generalising to begin with?Anyways on a personal note i do not deem myself smarter den you.infact i respect the fact that u have gone so far in your life for a am still a kid

Originally posted by eagle:

So does your info comes from being a teacher yourself or having close friends who worked as teachers or just merely from what you think it should be?

Can u be more specific in your question?

Originally posted by fymk:

The statements you made are just generalisations and reflect of that rat race lifestyle in Singapore. Ditch the weaker ones while you forge ahead. There are teachers who exhibit this mentality that all normal students are lazy . Unfortunately those same type of two faced teachers I had, are very nice to me now because they know that I am doing wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy well beyond their expectations. I had a principal who wished that we all DON'T DO WELL in our O levels .....slip of the tongue LOL .

I got issues with people portraying your view which is either too naive or too arrogant for its own good. I do agree that indulging in self pity doesn't help but for goodness sakes , we are talking about children and teenagers .  They are at stage where patience, encouragement and gentle guidance will help alot. Demoralising them achieve nothing.

We are not talking about adults who should know any better and should bear responsibility for their actions.

 

 

Now now u are assuming i am generalising just because of your psersonal bias.Who are you to say your teachers did not want the best for you?teachers are underpaid overworked government civil servants therefore when they do take on this particular profession it is out of passion for helping their students nth more. Therefore it is unfair for you to say that they demoralise and what not because they have no need to do and any basic teachers want the best for their students Na express or NT

Originally posted by charlize:

"Get out of my elite uncaring face"

 

Yes, a student can actually tell this to a 30 something working adult.

 

This is the system we have in sg. 

wee shumin said the truth. she is an elite and she could not care less about that guy. She is merely blunt though i am not condoning her words. I am not an elite.

Originally posted by augustkyle:

Just my personal view on the 5 years normal acad and the 4 years express in our education system in Singapore.

To start off, i was from Normal Academic.

I hope this post wont offend anyone.

I think if given a choice, i would rather not have PSLE in primary 6 to differentiate us in terms of academic capability. I believe i am one who suffered from that.

First of all, during my time, Express student take 7 subjects while the NA took 6 subjects despite having to study for 5years. It doesnt make sense right?

If to choose, for an express student to drop any subject they dislike, they still have 6 to study for the exam. Let say, one of the 6 flop, at least they still get to have 5 good result to enter poly. N(A) student, studies 6, hate 1 of those, and fail 1 of the rest. They have to repeat.

In short, i believe in late-bloomers. I have to tell myself this and believe in this.

You cannot possibly expect the government cater to your late bloomers can you?How many of this Na students actually are late bloomers? how many subjects Na students get to do depends on the school. But if the school gives them that many subject to do is because they are unable to perform. this is because they are given sec1 and sec 2 to climb over to express fail to do so and what does it show  about you? I had a senior who climbed over from NT to express and is now in uni. The system works because it is brutal and tough. The bottomline is that it is meant to propel singapore further, we are the government's and country's resources to exploit , only digits and number. I am saying this because i am still currently in the education system and though i resent it everyday and i will still say that is effective in everysense of the word. Feelings and everything else is secondary to getting results now and fast no time to wait. Singapore's policy of pragmatism

Originally posted by eagle:

The attitude has been shaped from a young age. The teachers themselves think that these are gone case students, and this mindset will slowly shift itself from the teachers to the students. Streaming at a young age will stream their mindset along the down path; it's very hard to break away because you will not be given a 2nd chance (especially those who were streamed into EM3 in pri sch; their PSLE grade can never meet express standards in the better schools, even if they score full marks). By condemning them so early, even if they are late bloomers, they need extra effort to just meet the minimum requirements of the "better" streams.

Of course there are many exceptions. I have taught a sec 5 student before. It was a big jump from N to O level for him, but his work attitude was especially commendable. Although I charge by 2 hrs per lessons, it's students like this that I will go the extra mile at times, and reach till 2.5 hrs per lesson (fyi, I stop exactly at 2 hrs usually; dun need much time to think of answers for maths and physics). But imagine... one year was wasted even though he could still score very well for Os.

 

Have you considered that if he did not have that extra year he might nt be doing as well. Most Na are slower in terms of attaining skills that they are not particularly good at.Eg. good at english but horrible in maths. As for what u said above u cannot change what happens to you but u can change how u react to it. If life gives u a lemon make lemonade. easier said den done but hey this is life.

Originally posted by fymk:

My english in secondary school is very strong. My mother tongue was crap to sh*t because we don't even use it at home.

You are generalising all normal stream students  based on the students you met . In my personal opinion, most are already demoralised when they enter normal stream. Why bother with your studies when you know you are already condemned in the system? Singapore is known as the no second chances society. I know it as a former normal stream student.

FFS there are even Singaporean  postgraduate scholarships which look at your freaking secondary school results and the duration of your schooling betrays you as a normal student. Overseas , they do not care how you performed in secondary school , they want to know how you performed in your basic degree , the skills and the work experience you have . Screw the scholarship I had from university - yes a foreign university gave me a scholarship for being the top 2 international students in the cohort but being in normal ( some even ask for your freaking PSLE results last time)  crap my chances to pieces when I tried to apply for another scholarship in Singapore. I was literally LAUGHED at by a former employer for even bothering to try.

I can only say ....overseas gave me opportunities I never dreamt of and yet I earnt them by merit. It is really funny because I see the next generation of Singaporean normal stream school kids getting screwed over by this system and your late bloomers will have to consider running out to get opportunities denied by a no second chances society.

Why a need for a 2nd chance? everybody is given the same chances in our society you FUC K up its ur fault not the person beside you.Why should the rest lose out just to cater to you. Even though i do not  believe in this idea of a 2nd chance though i wish i had a few, the government is giving this 2nd chance to the students by placing them in Na allowing them to climb back to express. It sucks that your employer laughs at you but hey you are not the only applicant why would they choose you if someone else has a better track record? Subsequently there are student from Em2 who do end up in Na does it mean that they have been condemned before? In essense whether u are looked down upon or not is entirely your fault and as such u have to pay the price

Originally posted by gunner77:

i tink ppl get tis misconception tat express are better than normal

express are taught fast

but tat does not mean tat they learn fast.

whereas normal are taught at a slow pace.

therefore both are equally good.

This is utterly nonsensical. The express are taught fast because they haven proven themselves capalable of handling and learning at that pace through psle. This is not forgetting that though normal are taught at slower pace they are also TAUGHT more watered down subjects such as combined science. 1+1 =/= 11

i currently give tuition to sec 4 NA students in my secondary school. 1 thing i have to  say is that the difference between Na students and express students is the attitude and performance in certain core subjects such as english.What i believe is that the different streams is to group similiar people together.This to a certain extent helps prevent the "contamination" of people which as i said earlier is the difference of attitude. Therefore i believe it is unfair to say that there should be no streams. In essense the grouping is to allow teachers to teach at a pace that is most efficient and prevent express students from learning poor values from Na students such as laziness which i find is a common trait amongst most that i know.( i was in ncc so i had platoonmates that were NA and NT

will u sell the memstick alone?

Originally posted by pearlie27:

This is your illusion. They are so entrenched in power that it is almost impossible to get rid of them!

They are entrenched in power because we are giving them the power...it is nt an illusion to say that  we can get rid of them...I assure you if they fail to bring us prosperity we will get rid of them in a sec...

Originally posted by alwaysdisturbed:

who shapes the country? take a look at MOE's motto - mould the future of the nation?

if we didn't have to struggle to meet day's end everyday, do we need to strive for a monetary lifestyle?

who caused it? i rephrase. who could have made things better and easier for us but did not?

I am sorry but i feel that ur arguement holds no water and makes no sense. BUT from what i understand u are blaming the government for causing us to struggle through daily life when they can be making our life easier. But this is merely an assumption on your part is it not?But has it not occured to you that if they could make our life they would?Do you not realise that they are dependent on us to stay in power?therefore they will try to appease us if possible?

i meant to rebutt 0001100

I find the fact that you people condemn LKY’s attitude and method of running the country utterly ridiculous and nonsensical. Is it that difficult to understand it is precisely because we crave for better standard of monetary lifestyle that we have to work so hard and be pragmatic? It is pointless to complain and moan on how cold and uncaring everyone is when it is firstly because of our own greed that we are the way we are. LKY is merely give us what we want… A BETTER MONETARY LIFE… maybe TS should reconsider this fact before he condemns LKY…

eh if i want entire collection of econs and maths as well as GP how much will it be?BTW what are ur credentials??

what colour is the watch?what are the functions btw??interested in buying but can u lower to 50?

oh yeah how old is the watch??and ur reason for selling

thanks for the info ! =D

Would clinical psychology in university (sg, Uk, US) need you to be in science stream in jc? what subjects do you need to take?

As above. =)

anyone knows anything like courses you can take in uni? whether it is as recognised as a levels?

hmm okay, For arts, is it still possible to do clinical psychology? Please ans my question! thanks!