Lees ready to b X-exaimned.''Dr Chee,what r u waiting for?''
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Originally posted by Gutturosa:
You destroyed SDP, MM Lee tells Chee
By MICHELLE QUAH
(SINGAPORE) There was no shortage of tension and drama at the High Court yesterday, as Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew were cross-examined by opposition Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) leader Chee Soon Juan and his sister Chee Siok Chin.
While Monday saw PM Lee labelling Dr Chee as 'a liar, a cheat, somebody who has brought discredit to the opposition and to Singapore', yesterday saw MM Lee share his views of the opposition party leader, when he called Dr Chee 'unscrupulous', a 'psychopath' and someone who 'destroyed the SDP'.
The hearing is to assess the damages the SDP and the Chee siblings have to pay PM Lee and MM Lee for defaming them, in articles in their party newsletter two years ago. They had alleged that the Lees were corrupt and had covered up wrongdoings at the National Kidney Foundation (NKF).
For the prime minister, it was his second day on the stand - and Justice Belinda Ang saw fit to move the session along swiftly by limiting the time of the Chees' cross-examination of him.
Justice Ang also threw out many of their questions on the grounds of irrelevance - questions ranging from ministerial pay to HDB costs - which prompted Ms Chee to plead: 'You've already chopped off our arms, our legs - what do you want next, our heads?'
The cross-examination of MM Lee was kept similarly tight, with a time limit of two hours - a matter ensured by the minister mentor himself when he challenged his cross-examiners to get to the meat of the issues. 'If they (the Chees) have important devastating revelations to make, they wouldn't be allowing you (SDP lawyer M Ravi) to put all these irrelevant questions to me, because it's time-wasting,' MM Lee said.
He added: 'One reason why we have allowed this altercation to go on is because we are leaning over backwards to allow you (Dr Chee) enough rope to tie yourself up. And you have successfully done that.'
The minister mentor said he had to sue the Chees for defamation as they had impugned the integrity of the government, of which he used to be prime minister.
Defending the achievements of the government, MM Lee drew comparisons with Taiwan and Hong Kong - whose leaders have upheld Singapore as an example to follow. 'The final test is what Singapore was when I became prime minister in 1959, and what Singapore is now. We had less than S$100 million in the kitty. Today . . . global financial services assess Singapore to have sovereign wealth funds of over US$300 billion,' MM Lee said.
He also criticised Dr Chee's leadership of the SDP and called him a 'political juvenile'.
'The SDP was doing very well under Mr Chiam See Tong, and at one time captured three seats, and it became the de facto leader. You came in, and destroyed the SDP,' MM Lee said.
He pointed out that Mr Chiam and Workers' Party leader Low Thia Khiang have successfully won their election bids without defaming anyone. 'But you have lost successively, because we have proved to the people that you are not to be believed.'
When asked if he would consider mediation as a means of resolving his dispute with Dr Chee, MM Lee quipped: 'Your Honour, it is so bizarre a question, I will need Solomon to be revived - and I do not believe Solomon can mediate between a psychopath and sane, rational people.'
The hearing continues today, for the various parties to make their closing submissions.
There is hope yet for you to be a journalist, with this being a good effort in posting a report without lacing it with personal views and opinions woven into the main piece.
It is surprising that MM LKY has recognised CSJ to be a ''political juvenile'' - with this comment coming from the God Father of Singapore Politics accustomed to using knuckle dusters and gangland style of political vendettas - this recognition must be the highligt in short and bitter CSJ's political career.
Unfortunately, this piece of report must have come from a State owned press, as one can see immediately the embarrassing retorts from the Chee siblings being omitted.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
There is hope yet for you to be a journalist, with this being a good effort in posting a report without lacing it with personal views and opinions woven into the main piece.
It is surprising that MM LKY has recognised CSJ to be a ''political juvenile'' - with this comment coming from the God Father of Singapore Politics accustomed to using knuckle dusters and gangland style of political vendettas - this recognition must be the highligt in short and bitter CSJ's political career.
Unfortunately, this piece of report must have come from a State owned press, as one can see immediately the embarrassing retorts from the Chee siblings being omitted.
I really doubt CSJ has what it takes to support his case against PM and MM concerning his accusation. What is your opinion about that?
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AFP - Wednesday, May 28
Sparks fly as opposition politician questions Singapore leaders
SINGAPORE (AFP) - - Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew on Tuesday justified the city-state's strict political controls as he clashed in open court with his fiercest critic over a defamation case.
Repeatedly questioned by opposition politician Chee Soon Juan about what he claimed was the absence of political freedoms and the rule of law, Lee pointed to Singapore's economic success as the "acid test" of his legacy.
Lee, a Cambridge-trained lawyer, said Western liberal organisations have always been critical of Singapore's political system, dominated by the ruling People's Action Party (PAP) since 1959, but added that "we think we know better."
In a day of drama at the Supreme Court, Chee, the secretary general of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), his sister Chee Siok Chin and their lawyer questioned the elder Lee and his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong, on the witness stand.
The Lees -- the father was prime minister from 1959 to 1990 and his son came to power in 2004 -- have already won a summary judgement against the SDP, its secretary-general Chee and his sister.
The two leaders had sued over allegations of government corruption made in an SDP newsletter ahead of general elections in May 2006, and the hearings this week were held to determine the amount of damages.
"Mr. Lee, we meet at last," blurted Chee as he sprang up to cross-examine the 84-year-old Lee Kuan Yew. "You have been avoiding me," he said, setting the stage for a series of heated exchanges.
Chee focused his questioning on the lack of democracy and rule of law, prompting the judge to repeatedly warn him to ask only questions relevant to the assessment of defamation damages.
"You have nothing of substance against me," Lee Kuan Yew told Chee in one of the clashes as Chee looked for questions.
He said Chee was trying to "degrade" the court proceedings, and the Lees' lawyer chided the opposition activist for using the hearing to "insult, annoy and to scandalise" his clients.
At one point, Lee Kuan Yew called Chee a "liar", a "cheat" and that he knew several doctors who described his actions as those of a "near-psychopath".
Chee, who had faced jail terms and fines in his fight against the ruling PAP, accused Lee of having run the country "undemocratically" and of "crushing" press freedom.
"I will take whatever you dish out," Chee said.
Lee told Chee the final test of his legacy was what Singapore has become now -- a country favoured by foreign investors and ranked consistently worldwide as a business-friendly nation with world-class facilities and little corruption.
Earlier in the day, Chee, his sister and their lawyer M. Ravi had also questioned Prime Minister Lee, who remained calm and composed.
"Mr Lee, don't hide behind your counsel. Come out, be a real leader," Chee taunted the prime minister after the Lees' counsel repeatedly objected to the line of questioning.
The Lees have already won hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages from past lawsuits against members of the country's tiny opposition and insist that they need to protect their reputations from unfounded attacks.
Chee is already bankrupt after failing to pay 500,000 Singapore dollars (365,000 US) in libel damages to the elder Lee and another former prime minister, Goh Chok Tong, for remarks he made in the 2001 elections.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Has your analytical skills sunk so low that you are able to only give such in-depth comments to the frequencies of meal breaks requested by the different parties ?
Why did you not also include the different food that was offered ?
CSC not eating in court despite being allowed 10 minutes time off ?
Ten minutes - did you package her lunch in her handbag, or was she supposed to walk out of the Supreme Court, cross over to the food court at Funan Centre, Q-for her food, and return to the court in 10 minutes ?
In your brilliant analytical mind, do you think the time given was reasonable - considering that it was already lunch hour, and for a person who is ill, food consumption is critical.
If you must be a ''noisy lion'' at least pick on issues that show the full glory of a proud lion, not one that is hopelessly brainless.
Did the lioness walked out on you ?
National Geographic recently revealed that the Lion spent all his waking hours copulating, which explains for the lion constantly sleeping if not engaging in his god-send task; and leaving the hunt to the lionness and always given the first bite.
What happened to your end of the business ?
Has it been deflated to such an extent that you given up on your efforts at procreation and fulfill the mission of MIW to increase the numbers of Singaporean ?
Judge gave 10 mins.But at the end,CSC came back 30 mins
after the adjourment.After session started at 1pm,Judge even
allowed her eat in court but she did not ,according to STimes.
PL forgive my inability to provide deeper analysis
nor reply every questions/agruments.
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Channel NewsAsia - 1 hour 31 minutes ago
PM Lee, MM Lee face Chee in defamation suit against SDP
SINGAPORE: The High Court on Tuesday set time limits on the cross—examination of Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew during the hearing to assess the amount of damages to be awarded to the two Singapore leaders in their defamation suit against the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP).
This was to ensure questions stayed relevant, and it came after several delays and what Senior Counsel Davinder Singh said was the SDP trying to "turn the court into a political theatre".
Mr Singh, acting for PM Lee and MM Lee, would not allow the SDP to repeat what he called its ’delaying tactics’ seen in court on Monday. Justice Belinda Ang agreed with Mr Singh that the SDP defendants should not be allowed to insult both his clients under the guise of cross—examination. Hence, time limits or guillotine times were set.
However, when PM Lee took the stand, he had little opportunity to reply, as objections were raised repeatedly against SDP leader Dr Chee Soon Juan’s line of questioning, which was deemed as irrelevant.
The Prime Minister did reply to a question from Dr Chee who asked if he knew what was on Dr Chee’s mind.
Mr Lee replied that Dr Chee’s mind was of one who has been repeatedly exposed as a liar and cheat, harboured deep—seated resentment and been cut down to size and hence wanted revenge.
The Lees have already won a summary judgement against the SDP, its secretary—general Dr Chee and his sister Chee Siok Chin.
The two leaders had sued over allegations of government corruption made in an article published in the SDP newsletter, The New Democrat, ahead of general elections in May 2006.
In assessing damages, the court usually has to look at the extent to which the defamation was carried.
Senior Counsel Davinder Singh noted that the SDP had suggested during the hearing that only 5,000 copies of The New Democrat carrying the defamatory article had been circulated.
Ms Chee had made this point as she contrasted the circulation with Singapore’s population of 4.6 million.
However, PM Lee said the 5,000—copy circulation was not a good measure, as each copy would have been circulated to several people.
The article was also carried on the SDP website, and SDP leaders had broadcast the points made during the sales of the newsletter at housing estates.
Hence the lawyers for the Singapore leaders urged the High Court to award substantial damages, though they did not want to specify a sum.
In 2005, Mr Lee Kuan Yew was awarded S$200,000 in damages for defamation by Dr Chee during the 2001 General Elections, and the then Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong was awarded S$220,000.
Mr Singh said "even if damages cannot be fully recovered from the defendants due to their bankruptcy, a ruling for substantial damages will go a long way towards vindication".
Minister Mentor Lee takes the stand
When Minister Mentor Lee took the stand later Tuesday, Dr Chee continued in the same vein — asking questions which Mr Lee’s lawyer had to constantly object to as irrelevant.
Dr Chee alleged that Mr Lee had made it difficult for the opposition to compete on equal footing. MM Lee’s reply was that no government in any country helps to build the opposition.
He contrasted Dr Chee with opposition MPs Low Thia Khiang and Chiam See Tong. MM Lee said that despite fierce competition from the PAP, Mr Low and Mr Chiam were successfully re—elected and did so without defaming anyone.
MM Lee even suggested that with Dr Chee’s eloquence, he perhaps had a better chance than the two opposition MPs if only he could follow the Constitution and establish credibility.
MM Lee even advised Dr Chee to find a way to pay up the damages awarded in his suits — like what veteran opposition politician JB Jeyaretnam did — and not mute himself politically as an undischarged bankrupt.
Dr Chee still questioned MM Lee on Singapore’s human rights record — even though this had no bearing on Tuesday’s hearing — and the country’s ratings by agencies like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International.
MM Lee told the court that the agencies are liberal organisations which disagree with the way Singapore runs its social system.
However, the Singapore government believes it knows better, otherwise it will not be where it is today. The final test for Singapore is not in the ratings, but the lives of the people and what Singapore is, said MM Lee.
Four journalists were expected to take the stand on Tuesday. But Mr Singh decided not to call upon them as their evidence was already included in the Prime Minister and Minister Mentor’s affidavits, which were not challenged by the defendants.
The hearing will continue, while the cross—examination of the two leaders has ended. — CNA/ir
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we have a very serious problem here---Who lie
about Global Integrity Medal awarded to LKY by
Transparency International Malaysia in 2000 Sep 16?
CSJ said the value of the award worth less than the paper.
Yesterday in court,CSJ said he had dinner with
Peter Eigen, the founder and Chairman of Transparency International.
Eigen told him that he had not authorized TI Malaysia to award
LKY.
In 28.05.2008 zaobao,it said Eigen supported this should be awarded to LKY
and wrote to the Chair of TI Malaysia that
LKY is a important model of fighting corruption.I dunt know if LKY
confirmed this letter in court yesterday.
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与å¾�顺全昨天在åºä¸Šæ‰€è¯´çš„相å��的是，国际é€�明度机构主å¸å½¼å¾··è‰¾æ ¹å½“æ—¶ä¸�仅支æŒ�å�‰éš†å�¡é€�明与廉æ´�å¦ä¼šæŠŠ“环ç�ƒå»‰æ´�奖”é¢�ç»™æ�Žèµ„政，还在写给阿都阿兹的一å°�信上说：“æ�Žå…‰è€€å…ˆç”Ÿåœ¨æ‰“å‡»æ–°åŠ å�¡çš„贪污活动方é�¢æ‰€æ‰®æ¼”的角色是广为人知的，而且也被视为打击贪污的é‡�è¦�模范。”''....
http://www.zaobao.com/sp/sp080528_507_1.shtml
2.LKY shall produce the letter to the public asap.
3.In a undated article,CSJ mentioned this award.
http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/APCITY/UNPAN002552.pdf
A year later, TI’s Malaysia chapter
awarded its Global Integrity Medal to Singapore’s seniorminister Lee Kuan Yew,
stating, "In honouring him, we also honour integrity, transparency and
accountability."2 Herein lies a most delicious contradiction:An authoritarian state that brooks no dissent from its citizens is given international recognition for transparency and accountability. The obvious question that arises is whether such a state of affairs makes sense.
When I took the issue up with the head of TI’s Malaysia chapter at a conference,
he replied that he had given Lee the award based not on the senior minister’s human rights record but on his stance against corruption. The bizarreness of this logic notwithstanding it is akin to giving an award to a teacher for helping students do well academically in spite of physically abusing some of them. -
Channel 5 news this evening:
CSJ (and CSC)need appear in court on Friday to show
why they should not be considered contempt of court
for their conducts in the past 3 days.
Pl dunt shot or sue me if i am wrong.
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O$P$!!!
IT IS OFFICIAL.CSJ GOOD BYE TO POLITICS!!
FROM
MAN ON RIGHT AND IN WHITE.
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/350537/1/.html
...On the final day of the hearing on Wednesday, Justice Ang cited a list of behaviour which she said scandalised and impugned the dignity of the court, such as disobeying instructions, interrupting counsel and witnesses and accusing the court of bias. The Chees will be given the opportunity to respond on Friday.
After lawyers from both sides presented their closing arguments, the court reserved judgement on the quantum of damages to be awarded.
SDP's defence lawyer M Ravi said the court had become a spectacle for the ventilation of political hostility. He said the court is no longer an appropriate forum to conduct political battles under the guise of defamation suit.
He asked for nominal damages of 50 cents to be awarded, because he said the plaintiffs had not proved their reputation had been seriously harmed.
Responding to that, Senior Counsel Davinder Singh said a submission of 50 cents amounts to serious aggravation because it demeans the process and suggests that it is perfectly alright to run down the two plaintiffs.
Mr Singh had asked for aggravated damages as Dr Chee had repeated allegations of nepotism, corruption and criminal conduct during the trial.
He said the Chees had acted recklessly, aggressively and attacked the integrity of the plaintiffs.
In his closing submission, Dr Chee said he stood by what was published in the SDP newsletter "The New Democrat" and that even if he had to go deeper into bankruptcy, it was a path he could not run away from.
He added he does not wish the Prime Minister or Minister Mentor any ill will 'despite what they have done and continue to do to me and my family'.
But he would not be taking Mr Lee Kuan Yew's advice to pay up his suits so as to participate in the political process. - CNA/ir -
Channel NewsAsia - 1 hour 52 minutes ago
Court hearing on defamation damages against SDP ends
SINGAPORE: SDP chief Chee Soon Juan and his sister, Chee Siok Chin, will be back in the High Court on Friday to explain why they should not be held in contempt of court.
Justice Belinda Ang said this at the end of a three—day hearing to determine defamation damages the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP) and the Chee siblings have to pay Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong and Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew.
The two Singapore leaders had sued over allegations of government corruption made in an SDP newsletter ahead of general elections in May 2006.
In his closing arguments, SDP’s lawyer M Ravi asked the court for a nominal sum because he said there has been no proof that the reputations of PM Lee and MM Lee were harmed seriously by the article in SDP’s publication "The New Democrat".
But Senior Counsel Davinder Singh, who is acting for the Singapore leaders, said the court should award his clients a sum for aggravated damages because the defamatory remarks were repeated.
The High Court did not issue a judgement at the end of the session on Wednesday. It will sit again on Friday to hear submissions from Dr Chee and his sister. — CNA/ir
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AFP - 54 minutes ago
Singapore leaders seek 'unprecedented' damages
SINGAPORE (AFP) - - Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew and his son Premier Lee Hsien Loong sought "unprecedented" damages Wednesday as the trial of an opposition leader for defamation came to an emotional climax.
The Lees, stung by two days of cross-examination by Chee Soon Juan, secretary general of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), asked a Supreme Court judge to punish the pro-democracy activist for his behaviour in court.
Their lawyer, Davinder Singh, said Chee acted like a "hooligan" and exhibited "loutish behaviour" when he grilled the two leaders on the witness stand and ignored the judge's admonitions about his manner of questioning.
Singh said that despite a court injunction, Chee repeated allegations of corruption against the Lees in court and posted them on the Internet, an action that merits an "unprecedented award" of damages.
"The case for substantial damages is very compelling," he said.
Chee, summing up his defence, told the packed courtroom he stood by everything that was written in a party publication at the heart of the case, but added he harboured no personal hatred against the Lees.
"I do not hate Lee Hsien Loong, I do not hate Lee Kuan Yew and I do not wish them ill for what they have done and continue to do to me and my family," he said.
Chee had been found guilty of defamation over allegations of government corruption made in an SDP newsletter ahead of general elections in May 2006.
The SDP and Chee's sister and fellow pro-democracy activist Chee Siok Chin were named as co-defendants.
Defence lawyer M. Ravi, representing the SDP, said the Lees only deserved to be awarded a token 50 Singapore cents (37 US cents) because their reputations were not hurt by what the SDP and the Chees said.
Hearings were held this week to determine the amount of damages and the Lees took the witness stand to press their case, allowing the defendants to cross-examine them.
Chee, acting as his own lawyer, used strong language as he questioned the record of the Lees and the necessity of strict political controls in Singapore, now Southeast Asia's most economically advanced society.
The Lees -- the father was prime minister from 1959 to 1990 and his son came to power in 2004 -- dismissed Chee's attacks and said he further damaged their reputations during the cross-examination.
The Lees and other Singapore leaders have won hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages from lawsuits against members of the country's tiny opposition.
Chee is already bankrupt after failing to pay 500,000 Singapore dollars (365,000 US) in libel damages to the elder Lee and another former prime minister, Goh Chok Tong, for remarks he made in the 2001 elections.
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another Singapore Scandal.
Doctor was pressured not to issue MC to CSC for court leave!!
http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/485-dr-chee-and-ms-chee-cited-for-contempt-of-court
Do u think Lees need to do this?
or the lower ranks officer do this without Lee's authorization
to protect Lees?Non--Sense!!
..Another point Judge Ang cited was: "Yesterday you saw that my face was swollen as big as a gourd and you could see that I was in pain and I was in no condition to represent myself optimally in this court, and yet you continued with this session.
"[The doctor] has given me two days MC, but he says that he is pressed not to give a court MC for the leave of court, that he is pressed. ..
My Christian faith guides me and it is a faith that compels me to fght for justice and to treat my fellow men and women with compassion..........end of quote2.CSJ mentioned his faith twice in Closing submission
Did he really need to mention his faith?
Did he want to gain support from Christian?
I dunt think a true Christian will folded his arms in front
in court,or so rude in court.
http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/484-unlike-reputation-character-cannot-be-bought-chees-closing-submissions
I willingly assume the position in this life because if this is the path that God has chosen for me then I cannot run away.
3.Contempt of court is hard not to be noticed
in closing submission
So, Your Honour, we have come to the stage where all of us will be held to account for what we do today. It is said that as we make our bed, so shall we lie in it.
What we do today will live on in history forever. I do not envy your position. I ask that you forgive me if I have offended you in a personal way. I had no intention of doing that. In another place and time, we would be perhaps be good friends.
But I have to take issue with your position as a Judge and what you have done as well as the decisions you have made in this courtroom. To that extent I will fight you with every fibre of my being for the sake of justice.
We all have decisions to make in life. I have made mine and I am at ease with it. You have yours to make. I wish you wisdom and honesty.No wander Judge shake her heads at least few times during the 3 days
trial.
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when your water tap leaks and u dunt know to fix,
dunt try to be fix it.Or else your home will be flooded.
Dunt fix the wiring problem if u dunt know what is 3 pins.
Similiarly,why did lees need to be smarter than SC Singh in court?
Singh know better than Lees how to handle cross exam.
This is his job to reject irrelevant questions.
Even LKY awarded double honor from Cambridge 60 years ago,
he trusted Singh to handle.
2.Lees hide behind lawyers did not make them looks bad.
This is 100% what u should do in court---let the lawyer do the job!!
I salute the courage of Chees by asking much more questions than
Ravi!!This can be entered into Singapore Records.
Many would be lawyers would be more than happy to see that
lawyers just be in court and then can earn $$.
Client do the talking!!
But i must point out Rave did not charge Chees.
DUNT BE SMARTER THAN PROFESSIONALS!!
Let the lawyers do the jobs will not make u looks bad.
(Chees said few times to annoy Lees that Lees hide behind
lawyers make Lees looks bad)
Chees asked Lees to answer questions even Singh objected.
3.I appeal to Lees and Chees to apply to court to release
vidoe recordings in court after Chees possible contempt of court
case settled.Then u can see how this educated Christian
behaved in court,----figure pointing,raising voices,ignore Judge's
orders,folding arms etc.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
another Singapore Scandal.
Doctor was pressured not to issue MC to CSC for court leave!!
http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/485-dr-chee-and-ms-chee-cited-for-contempt-of-court
Do u think Lees need to do this?
or the lower ranks officer do this without Lee's authorization
to protect Lees?Non--Sense!!
Your negative efforts in continuing to deriding the Chee siblings can be an quite incredible display of sheer stupidity.
Anyone who read your posts will wonder if what is written is from one with intelligence to differentiate between saliva and phlegm, and your remarkable ability to swallow both without choking every time anything is wrtten by you about the Lees or the Chees..
..Another point Judge Ang cited was: "Yesterday you saw that my face was swollen as big as a gourd and you could see that I was in pain and I was in no condition to represent myself optimally in this court, and yet you continued with this session.
"[The doctor] has given me two days MC, but he says that he is pressed not to give a court MC for the leave of court, that he is pressed. ..
My Christian faith guides me and it is a faith that compels me to fght for justice and to treat my fellow men and women with compassion..........end of quoteWhat are you trying to convey ?
Was Judge Ang referring to herself when you mentioned that she 'cited - ''Yesterday you saw that my face was swollen as big as a gourd and you could see that I was in pain and I was in no condition to represent myself optimally in court, and yet you continued with this seesio......" ?
Are you so mixed up in your excitement to tighten your screws into the Chee siblings that you misplaced it into Judge Belinda Ang - or does it not matter to you with regards to accuracy as you mix your own fantasy opinions and fact of events in the court proceedings ?
2.CSJ mentioned his faith twice in Closing submission
Did he really need to mention his faith?
Did he want to gain support from Christian?
I dunt think a true Christian will folded his arms in front
in court,or so rude in court.
Would you prefer CSC to open her arms for you, and CSJ extend his arms into a cross for you to conveniently drive your screws into his open palm ?
Surely, your not so brilliant intelligence will have more to develop their new stance ?
http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/484-unlike-reputation-character-cannot-be-bought-chees-closing-submissions
I willingly assume the position in this life because if this is the path that God has chosen for me then I cannot run away.
3.Contempt of court is hard not to be noticed
in closing submission
No wander Judge shake her heads at least few times during the 3 days
During the 3 days ?
Did she shake her head when MM LKY and his entourage of 7 body guards and some 10 other persons barged into her court - even as PM LHL was half-way through the cross-examination ?
Did she shake her head or did she bow her head as MM LKY barged into her court ?
Surely we will not need to wonder too much, if you believe that it is ''no wander Judge shake her heads at least few times during the 3 days'' - as she surely must have more then a few heads to be chopped if she did not prevent CSJ, CSC, and their lawyers from slipping in the Truth of the issues that the Plaintiffs' Lawyer had tried so hard to prevent from being presented in Court.
She will certainly need a few heads to last through the her ordeal in attending to the proceedings with MM LKY observing the entire process like a hawk.
Have you any intelligence left for honesty, or is none needed for your lying efforts ?
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
when your water tap leaks and u dunt know to fix,
dunt try to be fix it.Or else your home will be flooded.
Dunt fix the wiring problem if u dunt know what is 3 pins.
Similiarly,why did lees need to be smarter than SC Singh in court?
Singh know better than Lees how to handle cross exam.
This is his job to reject irrelevant questions.
Even LKY awarded double honor from Cambridge 60 years ago,
he trusted Singh to handle.
For one who seem to claim the ability to read the intention of the Lee's you are brilliant with your interpretation of events that simply show you riding on the fringes between fantasy and lunacy.
If MM LKY accuse CSJ of being a pathological lunatic, he somehow had also missed you as being one hooting on his side of the fence.
If Singh know better than Lees how to handle cross exam - ''why did the lees need to be smarter than SC Singh in court ?"
If MM LKY has been awarded double honor from Cambridge 60 years ago, he must be stupid to continue doing the dirty job himself in his MM position that is equivilanet of the MAFIA God Father.
Does the God Father make a decision and execute the decision himself ?
Surely, it will be a long way before you can be the King with your own pride that allow you to continue your own genetic line - meanwhile, all you can do is continue being a "noisy lion" and hope that you still know what to do if a lioness can be attracted by you before you get mauled by another stronger and noisier lion.
2.Lees hide behind lawyers did not make them looks bad.
This is 100% what u should do in court---let the lawyer do the job!!
Has CSJ reached God Frather status ?
Even MM has called him a ''political juvenile'' - and yet he has instructed SC Singh to work overtime to ensure that CSJ do not have any room to ask all the necessary questions that will embarrass both the Lee's.
At least, CSJ will have the courage and honesty to take the responsibility of breaching the restrictive court procedurial guidelines that were purposefully placed to prevent him and his lawyer from doing a more effective job.
At least, CSJ had the honesty and courage not to let his lawyer take the risk of being reprimanded, while he carry the burden of his own defense by going against the restrictive court instructions.
Do you know how to hunt for your own food, or only be a useless ''noisy lion'' to depend on the lioness to hunt for you, and you wait to get the first bite even as you do not contribute any energy to place the food at your filthy paws ?
I salute the courage of Chees by asking much more questions than
Ravi!!This can be entered into Singapore Records.
Many would be lawyers would be more than happy to see that
lawyers just be in court and then can earn $$.
Client do the talking!!
But i must point out Rave did not charge Chees.
DUNT BE SMARTER THAN PROFESSIONALS!!
Let the lawyers do the jobs will not make u looks bad.
(Chees said few times to annoy Lees that Lees hide behind
lawyers make Lees looks bad)
Chees asked Lees to answer questions even Singh objected.
SC Singh is an MP, as well as the Lee's - and they are claiming that their personal reputations and that of the Government has been impugned.
Now who pays for the legal fees ?
Does the State pays for the legal fees to restore the reputation of the Government and both the Ministers ?
Do the two ministerial individuals pay part of the legal fees that went to restore their personal reputation ?
If Singh do not object - and has been reported to be constantly jumping up like a jack rabbit to object to every questions asked by CSJ - do you think that Singh will continue to practise law if he give a poor performance of himself with the double honors Lee watching his every move ?
3.I appeal to Lees and Chees to apply to court to release
vidoe recordings in court after Chees possible contempt of court
case settled.Then u can see how this educated Christian
behaved in court,----figure pointing,raising voices,ignore Judge's
orders,folding arms etc.
Yes, please do give your noisiest lion efforts to have make possible the release of the entire ''vidoe recordings in court'' - and WITHOUT any censorship that let us see only the snippets that place CSJ in bad ways, and cutting out all the embarrassing moments that CSJ had placed the Lee's in.
Can you do so without raising your "figure pointing", and raising voice in your usual noisy lion manner ?
It is doubtful that you can even get the Judge to shake her heads 3 times or less.
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SDP members wearing T shirt showing kangaroo head,a
Judge gown and a hammer.
tuesday 27.05.2008,They even waiting just outside court room.
possibel cited for contempt of court?
A kangaroo court or kangaroo trial, sometimes likened to a drumhead court-martial or Drumhead trial, is a sham legal proceeding or court. Kangaroo courts are judicial proceedings that deny due process in the name of expediency. The outcome of such a trial is essentially made in advance, usually for the purpose of providing a conviction, either by going through the motions of manipulated procedure or by allowing no defense at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kangaroo_court
Lucky,they are not allowed into court for no--collar.
what if Judge saw it?
re the fan just up stair Atobe postings.
See what topics that CSJ and CSC put to LKY.
It is not 100% word by word records.
The essence are here.
Pl bear in mind the purpose of this hearing is to
determine the damages ,if any,should be awarded to Lees.
Cross exam should be restricted this purposes.
But Chees turned court room as stage of GE rally!!
i appeal once agin to release the full transcript and video records to
the public .
Chees and Ravi just brought up many things to establish
that intergrity of Lees are not so high.
From NKF,HDB hidden building cost,bad hole like operations of GIC and
Temasek,use of CPF money and people cant use the CPF,Mas Selemat..
My question is :Can Chees ask better questions within the
frame of the hearing ie allowed by Judge, and at the same time,
Chees can 'shot'at Lees?
I dunt know if Jaya could come out with better questions
during the past 3 days hearing.What a waste for Opposition
Parties and people in SG!!We have lost a chance to watch
a better Defamation and the City drama!!
1.SPH PUBLISH CSJ letter's,today p H15 Forum.3 column x 14 cm
Chee rebuts letter by ex-head of M'sian TI
30.05.2008
2.Chee failed Opposition and many Opposition--Singaporeans
He fought for many years to cross exam Lees.
But he was late in court,again ,on Day 2!LHL just had to wait for him
in witness dock from 9.58 am.
The problems of Opposition in SG were and still are
they cant do a simple task like filling a right form in GE and submit it
at the right place and at the right time.Like Gomez,just forgot
to submit and accused low rank civil servants!!
How can i trust my future in CSJ when he could not arrive
on time for a important appointment?
3.What did CSJ ask LKY on Day 2,27 May 2008?
C=CSJ,O=CSC,K=LKY,S=Singh,J=Judge,R=Ravi
(inside this is my writing to explain)
It is not 100% word by word or 100% topics records.But the essence are here.
Pl dunt sue or shoot me if i am right or wrong.
i want u to see what topics Chees and Ravi asked LKY.
Then u can know why almost all questions disallowed by Judge.
12.55 pm
R asked when K know the ''defamatory article'' ,why K started the sue
close to GE and why K asked lawyer represent K!
Yes R called it ''defamatory article''.
R quoted S submission,claiming this case ''greatest defamtion''.
K- lawyers use graphic words,...good lawyers' jobs,in his previous
defamtion cases with Jayareratam,his QC quote Shakespeare.
R then quoted:''Never chase a lie..."and asked K opinions.
K explained,as u read from media,why he had to chased lies.
K used hands gesture to put across his points.
K- lies must be exposed
0105 pm
R asked why K not pursed the internet postings about K
k--current laws of cyberway inadequate,K mentioned Malaysia NOW
web site
R--govamen prepare tolerate internet postings
K--those in print and with names will be followed up..
R--why k allowed internet postings
S--Lees not to sue others is irrelevant
k--laws cant capture in cyberway.If can capture,then purse.
R--do u hold CSJ in any esteem?sorry,i rephrase it.
do u consider he is a man to be believed?
k---he is liar ,cheat...a psycho bar after asking few doctors.
O--asked John Tan shall be allowed sit after Chees to take note.
Judge refused but later allowed .
R asked K about C credibility.
K---Is it C credibilty so low that i shall ignore him totally?
R asked % of votes of SDP in Sembawang.20%.
R----only 20% believed what C said.
K---even 5 % voted,very important.
R--sensitive to unfair,critism,nail every life in court
K--K reminded R to ask relevant questions,only 2 hours.U are wasting
the time of court.
R --if irrelevant ,court would stop.
R ---consider mediation
K--dunt believe psycho bar
R--suffer any damages of reputation?
K---80% vote my intergerity if poll carried out.
R---sue in personal capacity?(u can read from news)
K--may i suggest..
R----stop Mr Lee suggestion.Plantiff has no right to suggest.
Judge ruled in favour of R.
R---abuse of legal system,Chees political alliance,cause against gavaman,
R--stopped
K---u are run out of question.0126 pm.
CSJ cross exam Lee
from 0128 pm
C--we meet at last.(K show suprise)
C--quoted K said previously that ''If u defame me(LKY),u can ask any question
about me in court'',u avoid me...
k--hearing for quantum of damages,not liablity
C--intended one and half days,why restriced to 2 hour
why come to court,game players here,hide bebind counsel,
C then asked k not to be interupted by S.
(S objected to almost all questions put by R)
K---people here can see how C belittle R
C--(left hand in waist,fold 2 arms in front)
C---run NKF w/o transparency,much importtant than dollar and cents
S ---we alrdy passed stage of liablity.CSJ did not give defense and materials
and walk away.
K--i will help court..Transpancy International..award
(pl read news,all there lah)
(C challenged K to answer even Judge disallowed the questions.
It seem this ex---lawyer LKY want to speak.But his counsel Singh stood
up to object already.LKY of course respect his SC.u can say
he hide behind Singh.)
K---(he gave a brief National Education lesson to C
how SG has less than 100 million to currently over 300 billion.
K asid he will not reveal assests in GIC and Temasek.
300 b is estimated by other.C interuppted.
K said ''Let me finish''
0205C--everythings u have done,closr down medias,GRC..
C---C asked K back in court tomorrow(wednesday)
C--send police to stage during GE,Freedom House:''very hard to change
SG gavaman democratically''
K---(k reminded C to ask meat questions.
S---3 rd time to remind only get 2 hours.
C---i dunt hate u(LKY)
C----Ex Director of International Bar Association ...Many delegates
left SG unhappy that the conference held in here.
K--World Bank
C--is it the same World Bank that accredited NGO's
came to SG but SG refused some.
K---SG no need to comply with every international organsiation
0225 pm
C--recent declassfied document in London,(former ISD detainee
and oppostoion leader )Lim Ching Siong.K came to power
and political opponents(u can read SDP site)
C---(he challenged LKY)u will initiate full and frank investigations into
all ISD detention.
C--u use Press Secretary to issue press statement
(read news lah,all there for this topics)
C--i have 3 children,sued 3 times,cant concentrate in political
works,u abuse of laws,refuse to play games,No equal opportunity
for Ruling and Oppostion Parties.
I sell newspaper and jailed.
K---rules in UK and Us,dunt become a bankrupt
S---we tired of political speech,sill speech.
C--2 ways of gaining poltical powers.
1 is Constitutional means,2 is by violents and illegally,are u up for free and..
fight.
K--u are hinder Opposition Party,SDP under Chiam,won 3 seats,
then SDP de facto Opposition leader.You destory SDP.WP is Opposition leader.
K--u are hinder Opposition Party,SDP under Chiam,won 3 seats,
then SDP de facto Opposition leader.You destory SDP.WP is Opposition leader.
Chiam and Loh ,both won seat and not sued for defamations.
You lost succedly.
c--freedom of speech and assembly
c--aloow 5 people assembly
K--rules existed before PAP...
C--u control the press
0245 pm
Judge--Court taken note of CDSJ conduct.I repeat many times
...irrelevant questions..
K---(NE lesson resumed)30 % students in teritary,40 % in Poly,20%
in ITE,HDB house,health,court room,Is it better off than 1959?
Real test,not u say or i say....(read news again)
C--50% of young people not patrotic to SG.
have u failed ,Mr Lee?
K--Final test are they leave permantly.
Top 20% people can go to English speaking countries
(K then advise NGO help CSJ discharge of bankcruptcy and campian again)
K---no gavaman in any country has duty to build Opposition.
LKY told CSJ he had a better chance than Chaim and Loh if he can build up his credibility.
Press and public in court can see how C abuse of court.
Judge in charge,gave full opportunity...
0254 pm
Judge---one minute more.If u follow this line of questions,
do it outside my court room.
C--Do u believe public allowed to have free say in running
of country?
0256
Singh looked at the clock at back of court.
I think he 'remind'Judge the time is up.(Always respect Judge
in charge)
K--My reputation 50 plus years,49 years ruling party plus 4 and half
as Opposition Party,mixtures of good and bad
My job is done..(I Think this last question is totally irrelevant.
Judge just gave LAST chance to CSJ and also let LKY aired his view.
He looked want to talk more!!)
CSC---I demand cross exam LKY.
Singh--Object.they should allot time among themselves.
(so u see.CSJ spent one and half hours out of 2 hours to cross exam
LKY.what a PhD,but not in laws!!)
Judge---10 minutes allowed.
0259pm
CSC--how many as MM?
K---3 or 4 years.as data bank for ministers.
from 1952 as lawyers for Unions,knowing 56 years of SG and its people,
SG is a place not to be independent
CSC----do u watch TV?(K says yes)
Do u watch your own interviews.
K says not specially.Earlier years ,yes.Then,K let it pass.
K---I know what i had said.
CSC--then u are familiar with what u say?
CSC---will u watch a documentary ,not come from your mind?(objection)
(There are many objections.I dunt put here)
CSC---recently there is one about u control media
and political..
Name of video:ONE NATION UNDER LEE.Are u aware?
(u can read fr SDP site of screening of this get troubles..)
CSC----u are not interviewed and not from your mind.
Singh---what is the question?
CSC---documentary about intergrity,u come to power...
Singh---..of rumors
CSC---do u want a copy of the video?
K---i dunt need to be given...Some body will give me a summary...
CSC---are u still in charge of SG?
K--I am not.Otherwise,how can i attend conference in London,
Tokyo,
not in charge,therefore,i have time.
CSC___Mas selemat escaped...
Singh----10 mins done.Very sad.
Judeg---one last question
0311pm
CSC---dictator's skill to govern SG?
0314
JUDGE---10 MINS UP.
LKY released from witness stand
Singh----affitdavit and ACIE not challenged.4 reporters
will not be called as witenss to testify.Their affitdavit
will not be included as evidences.
Judge order court adjourned to 4.30pm same day.
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i invite u guys to read SDP site.
read for yourself what did Chees ask.
below come from Chees SDP site
Dr Chee: He (Mr Lee Kuan Yew) is talking about his integrity. Is this the same integrity that you are referring to when your government in 1963 arrested all your political opponents under Operation Coldstore?
Mr Davinder Singh, counsel for the plaintiffs, rises to object.
Dr Chee (turning to Mr Singh): Let him answer, he wants to answer.
Judge Belinda Ang: Question is disallowed.
Mr Singh: Thank you, Your Honour.
Dr Chee: He wants to talk about integrity and I want to talk about integrity. Let's talk about integrity, Mr Lee. Is this the same integrity as you are referring to when you jailed Mr Chia Thye Poh for 32 years, when you imprisoned Dr Lim Hock Siew for 19 years, and when depriving them all –
Judge Ang: Question is disallowed.
Mr Lee Kuan Yew: May I point out to you what Singapore was when I became prime minister in 1959 and what Singapore is now. We had less than $100 million in the kitty. Now that the assets that we have and I am not disclosing this but Global Financial Services assessed Singapore's sovereign wealth fund at over $300 billion.
Dr Chee: I am impressed. Now –
Mr Lee Kuan Yew: If you are impressed, Mr Chee – Dr Chee, if you're impressed, you would not have made these allegations.
Dr Chee: Mr Lee, is this the same integrity where you're talking about declassified documents from London?
Judge Ang: Irrelevant.
Dr Chee: – that you have –
Judge Ang: The witness is not required to answer.
Dr Chee: And I would like – well, Your Honour, he's brought up integrity and I just want to be able to pursue that line just a little bit more. Is it the same integrity –
Mr Singh: Your Honour, I object to this line of questioning.
Dr Chee: That you are referring to, Mr Lee, where now we begin to know –
Justice Ang: Question is disallowed.
Dr Chee: – and as a young man, I didn't – I believed you but now I'm reading declassified documents from London saying that somehow –
Mr Singh: Your Honour –
Dr Chee: – somehow, Mr Lim Chin Siong –
Mr Singh: Your Honour, please stop him.
Dr Chee: – was in his –
Judge Ang: Dr Chee
Dr Chee: Was in his political situation, and that somehow –
Judge Ang: Your question is disallowed.
Dr Chee: – you had – I beg your pardon, Your Honour?
Justice Ang: The question is disallowed. How is this relevant to the assessment of damages?
Dr Chee: You haven't even heard my question yet. You haven't even heard my question. Let me ask the question and then you can disallow it, Your Honour.above from
http://www.yoursdp.org/component/content/article/1-singapore/487-why-let-reality-get-in-the-way
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is it a SDP or Chees personal site?
Have ALL contents have been properly authorised and in writing
by CEC of SDP?
no joke if any content get into trouble.
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Originally posted by lionnoisy:
Did you run out of steam after three post that began at 10.24AM and with you pumped flat at 11.16AM - with just a blank piece to show ?You certainly have outdone yourself in your production of 'verbage' that anyone can see that you show more your brilliant shallow intelligence that anything admirable in analytical efforts.
Perhaps you can take some lesson from "Gopalan Nair in attendance reporting from the Show Trial” - where compare to your piece clearly reveal your over indulgence in cut-and-paste information plagiarised from officially sanctioned websites, and filled up with the minimal effort in studious logical analysis.
MM LKY will be embarassed by unthinking supporters like you that provide them with unsolicited half-baked support that undermine their efforts to diminish their image as intolerant despots.
They are already experts and do not need more clowns and goons when they have enough in their retinue of unthinking goons, who are too willing to overwhelm everything and everyone with excessive acts - so as to project themselves to be feared or they will be seen to be impotent.
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AFP - 51 minutes ago
Court fines bankrupt Singapore opposition leader
SINGAPORE, May 30, 2008 (AFP) - A Singapore judge on Friday fined a bankrupt opposition party leader for speaking in public without a permit, hours before the politician was due in court in a contempt case.
Chee Soon Juan will be jailed for five weeks if he does not pay the 5,000-dollar (3,663 US) fine, Judge Jasvender Kaur ruled.
Chee, secretary-general of the Singapore Democratic Party (SDP), is one of only a few people in Singapore to have spoken out against the ruling People's Action Party and has faced numerous legal battles with authorities.
He has served previous jail terms for speaking without a permit, and was declared bankrupt after failing to pay 500,000 Singapore dollars in libel damages to Singapore founding father Lee Kuan Yew and another former prime minister over remarks made in 2001.
Chee was charged with eight counts of speaking to the public without a licence between November 2005 and April 2006 -- just ahead of a general election -- according to court documents.
His lawyer, M. Ravi, told AFP that he was free on bail while the court considers an appeal.
He is due to appear in the Supreme Court later Friday to show why he should not be charged with contempt in connection with his behaviour during a hearing to assess damages in a defamation case involving Lee Kuan Yew and his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong.
The Lees have won hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages from lawsuits against members of the country's tiny opposition and insist that they need to protect their reputations from unfounded attacks.
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Reuters - 1 hour 49 minutes ago
Singapore opposition leader fined for public speech
Chee has also been found guilty of defamation in cases filed by former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew and his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Singapore's high court has yet to rule on the amount of damages. (Reporting by Melanie Lee; Editing by Jan Dahinten and Sanjeev Miglani) - SINGAPORE, May 30 - A bankrupt Singapore opposition party leader was sentenced to five weeks in prison or pay a S$5,000 fine for speaking in public without a permit.
Chee Soon Juan, leader of the Singapore Democratic Party, was on Friday found guilty of the offence committed on April 8, 2006. He has six outstanding charges of speaking in public without a license between November 2005 and April 2006.
Singapore has tough laws on public gatherings, and protests are rare. An assembly of five or more people requires a police permit and offences under the Public Entertainments and Meetings Act could lead to fines as high as S$10,000 .
Chee, who pleaded not guilty on the grounds of his constitutional right to free speech, was made a bankrupt in February 2006 when he failed to pay libel damages of S$500,000 to former prime ministers Lee Kuan Yew and Goh Chok Tong.
"I continue to maintain that what I have done is well within the law and my constitutional rights," Chee told the court. Chee's lawyer M. Ravi said he will be appealing the conviction.
The state prosecutor had asked for a "substantial fine" to act as a deterrent for other "like-minded" individuals.
The Southeast Asian city defends its strict laws on public assembly citing the need for public order and safety.
The Singapore Democratic Party is one of the more vocal opposition parties in Singapore. It did not get into parliament in the last election in 2006 and 82 of the 84 elected parliamentary seats are held by the ruling People's Action Party which has been in power since Singapore's independence in 1965.
Chee has also been found guilty of defamation in cases filed by former prime minister Lee Kuan Yew and his son, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong. Singapore's high court has yet to rule on the amount of damages.
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I support Chee Soon Juan.
As for Lee Kuan Yew, I hope he dies soon.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I support Chee Soon Juan.
As for Lee Kuan Yew, I hope he dies soon.
Hey, I am still waiting for your father's body dimension. Due to recent surge in wood price, we will only make to measure and quote to measure.Have you family decided where your father's funeral will be held?
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Atobe, do you think CSJ has any facts to support what he said about NKF and government?
If he cant, dont you think it will be very stupid and naive for anybody to listen and read what he said.
I guess for you and some of your liars kaki here, this must be very inspirational huh?
Maybe you should follow CSJ footstep and do some public speaking, I am sure you will be an overnight success at speakers corner.
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pl go to
http://www.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/319232
What did Chees ask Lees during cross examination?
to discusss the questions put by Chees to Lees.
