Open Letter to Political Opposition Parties
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Originally posted by webben:
point_blank, I invite you to reply to Atobe point-by-point. Let's see some rebuttal here!
I'm afraid that if you really can't respond to his arguments, then you're conceding that Atobe's points are valid. Up to you.
Thanks for the invitation. But no, i don't give rebuttals to that person because that person's posts are sadly filled with unsubstantianted allegations that would be best be presented before our independent judiciary if he/she claims it to be true.Rather than another futile excercise on wild claims, let Atobe's claims be as what he/she perceives as his/her beliefs system.
All i ask of him/her is not a rebuttal, but a clarification of when the opposition will stop whining and start working on solutions for the people.
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Ask the incumbent to release the results of any gerrymandering way before an election is due. Mega-GRCs are already an unfair practice.
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Singapore. A prison state.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Singaporeans are in truth prisoners in their own country. The Chief Superintendent of this prison is Lee Kuan Yew, with his son, the Prime Minister together with his other ministers being senior prison wardens.
This category includes the High Court judges, senior civil servants, teachers and other senior government officials. The normal Joe Bloke is just a prisoner. The only difference between the regular prison and the Republic of Singapore is the fact that you cannot escape from a normal prison. You can from Singapore if you want. And that is exactly what many do by emigrating to reside permanently in other countries. Many are unable to escape because they either lack the skills that other countries need or because they are unwilling to accept the rigors inherent in moving.
I was just looking at the index of country democracy listings on Wikipedia. Please click on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index . You will see that Singapore is one step below Albania! It is 84th down on the list with Albania and Bolivia more democratic and Madagascar and Lebanon less democratic than Singapore. Despite Lee Kuan Yew, the strongman or the Chief Prison Warden, claiming Singapore to be first world country, it is truly much worse than the worst third world countries in the world, in spite of the skyscrapers at Raffles Place!
In a normal prison, prisoners cannot complain, since even if you did, it is not going to make a whole world of difference. Furthermore all reading material in prisons are monitored and censored. Exactly the same in Singapore. All newspapers and media are owned by Singapore Press Holdings which is fully owned and operated by Lee Kuan Yew and his government. Singaporeans have no access to independent news. They can purchase foreign newspapers but they usually do not cover domestic issues. You are left with government censored information, just as the prisoner in San Quentin, California serving a life sentence, is left with censored mail.
Most people in Singapore have jobs. In a normal prison, the prisoners are given jobs in the prison laundry, the prison bakery and other work that prisoners can do. This the prison administration ensures. But prisoners in a prison are unable to bargain for higher wages. Prisons do not have workers unions. A prisoner has no choice but to accept the work and the meager pay that is dished out. No difference at all for Singaporeans. Singaporeans have to work to feed their families. But just as the prisoners in San Quentin Penitentiary, they cannot negotiate their wages. On the surface, there are such things as unions in Singapore but they exist in name only. In fact the workers unions in Singapore represent the employers and the Singapore government; not the workers. Singaporean workers, just as any other normal prisoners, are powerless and unrepresented.
Prisons do not permit prisoners to exercise fundamental rights such as free speech and expression and the right to free assembly. If you protest or start making speeches that the prison wardens in San Quentin do not want to hear, you will probably be sent to solitary confinement and beaten up. Just like San Quentin, Singapore too does not permit the right to free speech and assembly. If you did you will be charged in court and a Singapore judge will fine you. If you do not pay, you will end up in prison. In fact this punishing activity is now happening as we speak. Dr. Chee Soon Juan of the Singapore Democratic Party has recently, once again been convicted for making a public speech. He will be sentenced on May 30, 2008 by Judge Jusvinder Kaur of the Subordinate Courts. He will be sent off to jail again.
In prison, if you criticize the chief warden, you will be meted out additional punishment which usually is solitary confinement. In Singapore if you criticize Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, you will be sued for defamation of character and a judge will order you to pay Lee Kuan Yew one million Singapore dollars and not being able to pay, you will be bankrupted. Which means you will have no money to feed yourself and neither will your family. You will starve.
As a prisoner in a normal prison, you will not be able to complain on how much the wardens receive in wages. If you did, you will be punished and you will be thrown into solitary. In Singapore just as if you were a prisoner in San Quentin, you are disallowed from complaining that Mr. Lee Kuan Yew pays himself $3.7 million a year, a bribe and corruption, which is a fact. If you criticized, you will be again sued and another one million dollars will be awarded against you, and failing to pay, you will be bankrupted multiple times. How one bankruptcy as opposed to multiple bankruptcies are different I am unable to tell. In any case, even if Hinduism were true and you will in fact be born again, it is unlikely that you will ever be able to pay Mr. Lee Kuan Yew these several millions.
In prison, wherever you go, you are watched. There are monitors and cameras all over the prison looking out at every action of yours. No difference in Singapore. Intelligence officers are all over the place keeping a lookout at whatever you do and keeping record of each movement. If you criticize, your ability to earn a living is immediately terminated.
In prison, it is best to keep a low profile. The less you are seen, it is better. Being an extrovert is not a good practice in prison. The best way to live in prison is to be friendly to everybody and do your work well. This will mean the prisoner receiving a certificate of good conduct and the jail time reduced for good behavior. Same in the Republic of Singapore. It is not a good idea to be conspicuous. A nail that is sticking out will be hammered in, is the correct aphorism. That is why you see most Singaporeans have nothing much to say about anything. They do their work and go home, unobtrusive and unnoticed. Just like the prisoner in San Quentin who just wants to be left alone.
In one sense, Singaporeans are even worse off than any normal prisoner. In a normal prison, the prison wardens are not permitted to keep all the profits from the wok done by their prisoners. In Singapore Lee Kuan Yew and his friends keep all the profits for themselves. And if any Singaporean complains, he will sue you and make you a bankrupt the next minute.
With more and more people demanding their normal humanity and refusing to live like prisoners, Singapore is suffering from a brain drain. As a result Singapore Airlines and other major companies are finding it increasingly difficult to operate efficiently. Worrying about his own future, Lee Kuan Yew has gone to other normal countries such as Australia trying to persuade Singaporeans to return to the prison island of Singapore. Obviously they are refusing to come back. It should be no surprise to anyone. Why should they return to Singapore, a prison, when they have successfully managed to escape?
Gopalan Nairhttp://singaporedissident.blogspot.com/2008/05/singapore-prison-state.html
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Poh, since you posted that american written article here, would you like to share your views here, on whether you are living in a prison here, not allowed to move anywhere except the confines of your cell, or have beer, go pubs, flirt with women, choose your jobs, take off and leaves, etc, etc.
Would appreciate your contribution better than that american written trash.
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In a normal prison, prisoners cannot complain, since even if you did, it is not going to make a whole world of difference. Furthermore all reading material in prisons are monitored and censored. Exactly the same in Singapore. All newspapers and media are owned by Singapore Press Holdings which is fully owned and operated by Lee Kuan Yew and his government. Singaporeans have no access to independent news. They can purchase foreign newspapers but they usually do not cover domestic issues. You are left with government censored information, just as the prisoner in San Quentin, California serving a life sentence, is left with censored mail.I agree with the above.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Thanks for the invitation. But no, i don't give rebuttals to that person because that person's posts are sadly filled with unsubstantianted allegations that would be best be presented before our independent judiciary if he/she claims it to be true.Rather than another futile excercise on wild claims, let Atobe's claims be as what he/she perceives as his/her beliefs system.
All i ask of him/her is not a rebuttal, but a clarification of when the opposition will stop whining and start working on solutions for the people.
Thanks for clarifying. I will leave it as an exercise for the readers of this forum to decide whether you are simply being stubborn, or whether you don't have an argument at all.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Sigh...another senseless diatribe from you. It's ok to insult me, but i really don't wish that you insult the intelligence of others reading this post.This must be the best understatement in this Speakers' Corner for the Year 2008.
A robber - caught for stealing - now has the audacity to accuse the cop of being the robber, and generously reassure the cop that it is quite acceptable to accuse the robber for being one.
You are quite entertaining with your ability to make points coming to a blank.
I don't wish to engage your irrelevant points simply because it is a waste of time to have to prove you wrong but yet you adamantly insist you are right in your delusions. Thus i would let others read your trash and let them form their own opinions.
Have I insisted that I am right ?
If you believe that I am deluded, you are entitled to rebutt my position in the same manner that I have rebutted your ''blank points'' which in my views are your delusions.
Yet, each time when I meticulously respond to each and every effort of your ''point_blank honesty'' - I have shown time and again that your ''points are blank''.
Once again, last time, I ask:- WHEN will you and those you defend START working on solutions to solve the daily issues for the People instead of giving more excuses?
Again you ask the obvious, but have shown no ability to take up your own challenge when offered the responses - which you prefer to dismiss so quickly.
Are you certain of handling your own ''Point_blank'' honesty that is returned to you ?
CSJ had written quite a few books in the late 80's and through the 90's - one of which offered many alternative solutions that addressed the economic, political and education policies that he had claimed will threatened Singaporean's ability to compete in the modern globalised world. This was already written in the late 80's and with people like you in the MIW Team, it is not amazing that CSJ's writings were dismissed so quickly, and with parts of it adopted in the MIW plans during 2002 restructuring plans.
Ngiam Tong Dow. a retired Senior Civil Servant - had also written profusely about the shortcomings in the direction taken by the Singapore leadership, and threats faced by future generations of Singaporeans if this course continue unabated.
Dr Catherine Lim. is also another qualified loyal Singaporean, who has been dismissed for her vocal and considered opinions that highlight the present weaknesses that is not helpful for Singapore's future. For her honest efforts, she was treated with disdain and handled coarsely by self-acclaimed First World Politicians with a Third World mentaility.
If you are honest in your efforts at being ''Point_blank'' honest, can you handle the truth about politics in Singapore, or are you merely paying lip service while actually preferring to offer ''Points_that_are_blank'' - peferably for ''blank minds'' ?
Simple question and i hope for an un-convoluted answer.
Your questions are simple enough even for a Secondary School kid, but can you handle the replies designed for a Primary School student ?
The replies have basically followed the paragraphs that you have purposefully made to break up and show your various ''Points_blank'' approach in posting.
If the answer is convoluted, it clearly show your thoughts have not been as simple ''Point_blank" honesty as you had intended.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I agree with the above.
Thanks Poh for your few words. Perhaps you don't subscribe to internet where a whole world of information lay before your fingertips, including trash from the likes of american Gopalan -
Originally posted by webben:
Thanks for clarifying. I will leave it as an exercise for the readers of this forum to decide whether you are simply being stubborn, or whether you don't have an argument at all.
Glad i sorted that out for you. At least i leave you to decide and not deny you that freedom of choice. :-) -
Originally posted by Point_blank:
Thanks for the invitation. But no, i don't give rebuttals to that person because that person's posts are sadly filled with unsubstantianted allegations that would be best be presented before our independent judiciary if he/she claims it to be true.Rather than another futile excercise on wild claims, let Atobe's claims be as what he/she perceives as his/her beliefs system.
All i ask of him/her is not a rebuttal, but a clarification of when the opposition will stop whining and start working on solutions for the people.
Why will you waste such a huge amount of your energy to block out the heat and overwhelming energy in the truth emitted from the power of the sun ?
Why will you not harness the energy of the truth and make life easier for Singaporeans ?
Surely the ''sum total wisdom'' of all Singaporean are far bigger than the collected few Elitist Talents that the MIW Team can accomodate ?
The alternative solutions have been offered several times by concerned individuals from the Alternative Political Parties, as well as from loyal Singaporeans - some of whom are retired Civil Servants.
Can you handle the truth, or do you prefer to make ''blank points'' and expect it to be seen as ''Point_blank'' honesty in emptiness ?
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Perhaps you don't subscribe to internet where a whole world of information lay before your fingertips
Internet propaganda power weak.
Mainstream media propaganda power strong.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Glad i sorted that out for you. At least i leave you to decide and not deny you that freedom of choice. :-)Unfortunately, you have denied for yourself and for others the choice or opportunity to know the ''depth'' of your ''Point_blank'' honesty in all the issues that you have raised, and prefer to walk away from further debate - when shown that your ''points'' made are nothing but a ''blank''
Are you serious about your ''Point_blank'' honesty ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Your questions are simple enough even for a Secondary School kid, but can you handle the replies designed for a Primary School student ?The replies have basically followed the paragraphs that you have purposefully made to break up and show your various ''Points_blank'' approach in posting.
If the answer is convoluted, it clearly show your thoughts have not been as simple ''Point_blank" honesty as you had intended.
Atobe, you made serious allegations on the conduct or misconduct of the elections and many other wild ones that an educated mind find insulting.If you truly believe such allegations are true, then go prove it before a court of law. If not, you are just perpetrating and promoting falsehoods, lies and half truths to the People of this nation.
Yet, you did nothing except to whine here and repeat your lies, half truths and delusions.
There are many more serious issues facing the common person - our citizens today and into the future. If the opposition parties only care about their own missed opportunities to be elected instead of trying to find solutions for the People, then there will be no hope for an opposition.
Leading to, everyone to close rank and give our support to the ruling party instead of dividing people up, espacially the disenchanted ones and use them mercilessly for egoistical opposition political ends.
Atobe, i dont see you comming out with any solutions, which i wont blame you, for here, you are not a member of the opposition party. The least you could do for them is to wake them up from their stupor. Continued pampering and smoothering over their mistakes and inadequcies will not be beneficial to our society.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Unfortunately, you have denied for yourself and for others the choice or opportunity to know the ''depth'' of your ''Point_blank'' honesty in all the issues that you have raised, and prefer to walk away from further debate - when shown that your ''points'' made are nothing but a ''blank''
Are you serious about your ''Point_blank'' honesty ?
Atobe, i say it again. The allegations you made are issues best determined by the courts for full honesty. But will you go there? I don't know. Up to you
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Whether or not Singapore is a prison state is a matter of choice of Singaporeans who possess the ultimate franchise to create a living environment of their preference. In light of the social contract theory, both Hobbes (1588 – 1679) and Locke (1632 – 1704) conceded that a system of law is best in the interest of man. Hobbes propagated that man has to be brought under a system of laws, who otherwise would lead a singularized life driven by an egotistical psychology that renders life "nasty, brutish and short, a constant war of every man with every man." Thus, Hobbesians view the first principle of human behavior as egoism of which forms the root of all social conflict only to be avoided if man surrenders power to an absolute sovereign and freedom being relegated to the spheres not covered by laws.
Singaporeans had chosen to forgo their autonomy by electing a government that in turn restricts their egos by laws legislated in accordance with the wishes and values of the majority. Therefore, should Singaporeans feel that they are unjustly manipulated, criminalized, and imprisoned; it is within their very own power by virtue of their sacred votes to remove the government of the day and set a new order that aligns to their values and functions according to their wishes. The scope of government power (or otherwise, personal liberty) is in actual fact a definition ascribed by Singaporeans themselves. It is solely the prerogative of the voters to decide and choose the form of government they want; whether a servant government or a master government; one that serves the people or one that rules the people. However, if political naïveté and immaturity is an incremental comfort, for the majority at least, then ‘the majority wins whilst the minority rules’ is to be perpetuated even if that gnaws at the heart of the minority – it has to be respected albeit distastefully.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Atobe, you made serious allegations on the conduct or misconduct of the elections and many other wild ones that an educated mind find insulting.Unbelievealy, the one who has insulted the intelligence of an educated mind is your goodself - with your dishonest postings of the political landscape in Singapore.
If you truly believe such allegations are true, then go prove it before a court of law. If not, you are just perpetrating and promoting falsehoods, lies and half truths to the People of this nation.
Are you denying the fact that with each election, the electoral boundary has always shifted - seemingly for the reason that demographics have changed - that will have diluted or evaporated constituencies that are heavily supportive of the Alternative Parties ?
Has it not been a fact that the various print and broadcast media have been geared in one-sided opinions that favor the incumbent Ruling Political Party, and make derisive presentation of the Alternative Parties ?
Are you denying that the GRCs has been designed to make it impossible for any person to win on a one-to-one competition ?
Are you denying that for a population that is smaller then New York State, the number of electoral seats are made to overwhelm the resources of the Alternative Parties, which are already weakened by the prevailing political rules that discourages active personal or material or financial support to the Alternative Parties ?
You have already been exposed for your glorious efforts at propagating lies and half-truths to innocent minds such as the SgForummer by the nick 'webben' - and you should concentrate in redeeming yourself instead of embarking on useless adventure.
Yet, you did nothing except to whine here and repeat your lies, half truths and delusions.
What positive acts have you contributed besides undermining the efforts from others who have promoted the revelation of true events in Singapore - so as to be able to avoid the present pitfalls and find alternative paths ?
Your efforts todate has been the propagation of lies and denial of events that have developed since the 1950s, and refusing to engage in civilised educated debate, but prefer to resort to rhetorics and high handed dismissal of established factual events..
Are you now leaving it to the process of a political court to help you settle issues that you cannot handle even as you pretend to be an imitating political heavyweight ?
There are many more serious issues facing the common person - our citizens today and into the future. If the opposition parties only care about their own missed opportunities to be elected instead of trying to find solutions for the People, then there will be no hope for an opposition.
Yes, there are many more serious issues facing ordinary Singaporeans - and it begins with the TRUTH - in the manner that the incumbent Ruling Political Party has denied Singaporeans the opportunity to have real choices with true information from a Free and Unfettered printed and broadcast medias.
Yes, there are many more serious issues facing Singaporeans - and it require transparency and sincerity for the real truth - not half-truths - to be made available to Singaporeans.
Yes, Singaporeans require sincere and truthful persons, who can be honest with themselves and given the UNFETTERED POLITICAL SPACE to represent Singaporeans according to their CONSCIENCE that is not tied to the Politics of the Party.
Can there be hope when even the back-benchers in the Ruling Political Party cannot honestly represent Singaporeans in Parliament, but are required by the Party Parliamentary Whip to ensure discipline amongst Members of Parliament to follow Party Politics over and above that of the interests of Singaporeans ?
Leading to, everyone to close rank and give our support to the ruling party instead of dividing people up, espacially the disenchanted ones and use them mercilessly for egoistical opposition political ends.
It is easy to propound concepts, but are you capable of handling the truth, or have you reached ''Point_blank'' in denying the reality in Singapore ?
Does the ruling party need any help from anyone to divide Singaporeans, when they provide SECOND CLASS treatment to the 33.4% of Singaporeans who have elected their MPs from WP and SDA ?
Yes, Election 2006 is long over, how has this Government by the Ruling Party treat the development of the two contituencies won by the Alternative Political Parties ?
It seems that it is not the members of the Alternative Parties that have been egoistic, but more so from the MIW who continue to be egoistic about their hollow mandate won from a 66.6% vote from only half of the Singapore Population of qualified Electorate that is able to exercise their vote.
As much as you will deny reality - and like you - the Ruling Party has been constantly dismissive and derisive of solutions offered by the Alternative Parties - without even giving these considered views any further study as proposed by the elected MPs from WP and SDA, or other concerned voices from outside parliament.
Even retired Senior Civil Servant Ngiam Tong Dow has also spoken out to this negativeness from the Government towards alternative voices that comes from outside the Ruling Party.
Atobe, i dont see you comming out with any solutions, which i wont blame you, for here, you are not a member of the opposition party. The least you could do for them is to wake them up from their stupor. Continued pampering and smoothering over their mistakes and inadequcies will not be beneficial to our society.
Am I to be blamed for your own self-denial mode in blocking out what you do not wish to see, and hearing only what you wish to hear ?
It seems that your self-denial mode has become so extreme that you believe that others are in a state of stupor, when in actual fact you are immersed in your wet dreams of being a heavy weight MIW thinker.
Sadly, after all these engagements across at least three pages in this thread, you remain in a state of denial, with you indulging in continuous evasion to my responses that made your ''points to be blanks''.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Atobe, i say it again. The allegations you made are issues best determined by the courts for full honesty. But will you go there? I don't know. Up to you
Besides being shown to be a dishonest amateur politician, are you now attempting to leave it to a ''Political Court'' to finish the debate for you ?
Surely, I must have under-estimated the depths of your mind before reaching 'Point_blank' ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Unbelievealy, the one who has insulted the intelligence of an educated mind is your goodself - with your dishonest postings of the political landscape in Singapore.
Are you denying the fact that with each election, the electoral boundary has always shifted - seemingly for the reason that demographics have changed - that will have diluted or evaporated constituencies that are heavily supportive of the Alternative Parties ?
Has it not been a fact that the various print and broadcast media have been geared in one-sided opinions that favor the incumbent Ruling Political Party, and make derisive presentation of the Alternative Parties ?
Are you denying that the GRCs has been designed to make it impossible for any person to win on a one-to-one competition ?
Are you denying that for a population that is smaller then New York State, the number of electoral seats are made to overwhelm the resources of the Alternative Parties, which are already weakened by the prevailing political rules that discourages active personal or material or financial support to the Alternative Parties ?
You have already been exposed for your glorious efforts at propagating lies and half-truths to innocent minds such as the SgForummer by the nick 'webben' - and you should concentrate in redeeming yourself instead of embarking on useless adventure.
What positive acts have you contributed besides undermining the efforts from others who have promoted the revelation of true events in Singapore - so as to be able to avoid the present pitfalls and find alternative paths ?
Your efforts todate has been the propagation of lies and denial of events that have developed since the 1950s, and refusing to engage in civilised educated debate, but prefer to resort to rhetorics and high handed dismissal of established factual events..
Are you now leaving it to the process of a political court to help you settle issues that you cannot handle even as you pretend to be an imitating political heavyweight ?
Yes, there are many more serious issues facing ordinary Singaporeans - and it begins with the TRUTH - in the manner that the incumbent Ruling Political Party has denied Singaporeans the opportunity to have real choices with true information from a Free and Unfettered printed and broadcast medias.
Yes, there are many more serious issues facing Singaporeans - and it require transparency and sincerity for the real truth - not half-truths - to be made available to Singaporeans.
Yes, Singaporeans require sincere and truthful persons, who can be honest with themselves and given the UNFETTERED POLITICAL SPACE to represent Singaporeans according to their CONSCIENCE that is not tied to the Politics of the Party.
Can there be hope when even the back-benchers in the Ruling Political Party cannot honestly represent Singaporeans in Parliament, but are required by the Party Parliamentary Whip to ensure discipline amongst Members of Parliament to follow Party Politics over and above that of the interests of Singaporeans ?
It is easy to propound concepts, but are you capable of handling the truth, or have you reached ''Point_blank'' in denying the reality in Singapore ?
Does the ruling party need any help from anyone to divide Singaporeans, when they provide SECOND CLASS treatment to the 33.4% of Singaporeans who have elected their MPs from WP and SDA ?
Yes, Election 2006 is long over, how has this Government by the Ruling Party treat the development of the two contituencies won by the Alternative Political Parties ?
It seems that it is not the members of the Alternative Parties that have been egoistic, but more so from the MIW who continue to be egoistic about their hollow mandate won from a 66.6% vote from only half of the Singapore Population of qualified Electorate that is able to exercise their vote.
As much as you will deny reality - and like you - the Ruling Party has been constantly dismissive and derisive of solutions offered by the Alternative Parties - without even giving these considered views any further study as proposed by the elected MPs from WP and SDA, or other concerned voices from outside parliament.
Even retired Senior Civil Servant Ngiam Tong Dow has also spoken out to this negativeness from the Government towards alternative voices that comes from outside the Ruling Party.
Am I to be blamed for your own self-denial mode in blocking out what you do not wish to see, and hearing only what you wish to hear ?
It seems that your self-denial mode has become so extreme that you believe that others are in a state of stupor, when in actual fact you are immersed in your wet dreams of being a heavy weight MIW thinker.
Sadly, after all these engagements across at least three pages in this thread, you remain in a state of denial, with you indulging in continuous evasion to my responses that made your ''points to be blanks''.
Atobe, how do you want me to response to your diatribe and rant?From the huge amount of words you used, you clearly showed you are already close minded to anything rational and logical presented before you, believing and taking comfort in your illusions.
Singapore is ruled by laws. Whatever your allegations of wrong doings by other persons or parties, isn't it the norm to seek justice through the legal system? Yet you avoided this solution and instead made further wild allegations of my person - imitator, wet dreams and whatnoughts of which i did not claim, in this post or anywhere else, the way the opposition political parties always do when they have no solutions to help the People, except to tug their heartstrings for sympathy. If you have no respect for laws, then i don't think anyone should have any respect for you.
While i will not pursue justice, for i do believe you need to work out those frustration and furthermore, here i do not have a reputation to uphold and will take you slights as water off a duck's back.
Now that you had made your wild and irrational points, and still have yet to come out with anything coherent that could solve the current issues facing our fellow citizens, let's have a closure and let other readers form their own opinions. To continue on would be a senseless debate that will not help our citizens in ANY way, for you continued to irrationally and logically INSIST your way is the right way, 5 pages long, - continued mindless thrashing of the election system, disparaging the ruling party and when suceeded in brainwashing People's mind, Singapore will become a paradise on Earth.
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Originally posted by Point_blank:
Atobe, how do you want me to response to your diatribe and rant?From the huge amount of words you used, you clearly showed you are already close minded to anything rational and logical presented before you, believing and taking comfort in your illusions.
It seems that the huge amount of my words is in contrast to the little amount that showed your closed minded position - without anyone having the benefit of knowing how you arrive at your preferred ''Point_blank'' position.
You could start by taking the easiest or simplest of my seeming diatribe and ranting to give your ''Point_blank'' honest reply - if you are capable of achieving it ?
Singapore is ruled by laws. Whatever your allegations of wrong doings by other persons or parties, isn't it the norm to seek justice through the legal system? Yet you avoided this solution and instead made further wild allegations of my person - imitator, wet dreams and whatnoughts of which i did not claim, in this post or anywhere else, the way the opposition political parties always do when they have no solutions to help the People, except to tug their heartstrings for sympathy.
Are you not interpreting the expertise of the Ruling Party in tugging at the heartstrings of Singaporeans - when they cannot or refuse to respond to the political or economic events that affect Singaporeans ?
You must be in a constant state of denial, or prefer to turn a blind eye in reading the specifics in my reply to each and every one of your points, which if they are not already blank would have received a stronger counter post from you.
Unfortunately, your ''Point_blank'' approach remain ''pointless and blank''.
In a country where the Laws are interpreted differently for the governed and the government, can anyone survive in a Political Court that is more interested in upholding the interest of the Government ?
Even when the Privy Council was chosen to be an overseer of the standards of the implementation of the Laws by the Singapore Judiciary, it was made an irrelevant subject overnight when it pronounced a decision that was not in favor of LKY's government.
Under such a political environment, can anyone survive the Judicial Processes that is ''tightly managed'' by the Ruling Political Party ?
While i will not pursue justice, for i do believe you need to work out those frustration and furthermore, here i do not have a reputation to uphold and will take you slights as water of a duck's back.
What justice do you have to pursue when you have resorted to denial of facts, and prefer to indulge in half-truths and complete falsehood ?
What more can anyone expect from one who prefer to indulge in lies and falsehood - like the shark in the water - and you will sully the good creation of the duck and its feather ?
Now that you had made your wild and irrational points, and still have yet to come out with anything coherent that could solve the current issues facing our fellow citizens, let's have a closure and let other readers form their own opinions. To continue on would be a senseless debate that will not help our citizens in ANY way, for you continued to irrationally and logically INSIST your way is the right way - continued mindless thrashing of the election system, disparaging the ruling party and when suceeded in brainwashing People's mind, Singapore will become a paradise on Earth.
Singapore is already a living nightmare for the Middle-income group, and paradise only for those who allow themselves their Million Dollar Wages without any consultation of the Citizens in any Referendum - and those FT earning their million dollar wages with low tax incentives.
Have you not heard the many solutions that have been offered by so many in this Speaker's Corner ?
Where have you been, or were you stuck at some intersection staring at some blank points to gain your inspiration to be 'Point_blank' ?
Can you cope with solutions that have been offered before and will you advocate a lowering of the cost of living for Singaporeans - by having a reduction in the high petroleum tax, which is no longer valid to control the car population size when COE limit the number of cars available to Singaporeans ?
Similarly, this Government should decide in favor of either the ERP to be used as the single and total traffic management system, or rid Singaporeans from the burdensome Import and Road Tax system to manage traffic - as presently, Singaporeans are burdened with a multiple layer of government traffic management charges that resulted in the present high cost of living made worst by global events.
Will you advocate that this Government stop handing out the billion dollar refunds from Annual Budget Surplus, and to use the Billion Dollar annual payout for a National Health Insurance Plan for all Singaporeans ? Or are you doubtful that the talent of the government cannot prevent the Public Hospitals from being dishonest to cheat the insurance scheme with overcharged services ?
Can this government be more transparent in its costings for the hospital and medical care billings, when the strong Singapore Dollar still cannot allow the Singapore medical services to provide cheap health care cost to everyone except those in the Upper Income Group ?
Will this Government consider the restructuring of land pricing to help make housing more affordable to the next generation ? At the rate tthat this Government is manipulating the market prices of land for sale, it will only continue to increase the artificially high value of land for private and public housing, as well as for industrial and commercial developments - all of which increases the Cost of Living to higher levels.
Can you honestly cope with these challenging alternative solutions, or are you only capable of achieving your infamous 'Point_blank' solutions of outright dismissal of such alternative solutions ?
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
All this in one sentence for all the mud you have slung.You're full of shit.
Nobody force you to read my post. Any way, you are not welcome to read my post because you are an asshole who have serious mood swings problems. To this problem you are having I think whatever you post in this forum are just crap. You are consider a b.i.t.c.hy man. If you choose to intentionally find fault, nobody is going to stop you but you will sow what you reap.
I have nothing against you, it is you who have started your evil ways and bitchiness towards me. Fuck off from reading my posts for my posts are not meant to be read by evil assholes like you, b.i.t.chy man.
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
You're like the proverbial pot calling the kettle black.
Insult others and expect others to sit idly by.
Moreover, Atobe has given you a point to point rebuttal, unlike you, your points are blank.
What more do you want?Suggest you take time to peruse Atobe's reply and rebutt with an appropriate response. But judging from your limited mental abilities, I doubt you are able to do that, most likely you will succumb to insults and ridiculing of your opponents.
If it's too convoluted, then obviously you haven't got the intellect for it, better quit early to avoid looking like a fool.
Solution for daily issues? Opposition doesn't even have the helm, yet you ask the opposition to fantasize for a solution (It's akin to you fantasizing about how good P4P is). It's tantamount to asking a person who has never run a particular company to provide solutions to it's problems. There are intricacies in different companies, yet you expect the opposition who has never been to this company's admin office to provide solutions. Aren't you jumping the gun, putting the carriage ahead of the horse.
If you haven't been inside this company, don't know the departmental functions unique to this company, but you know this company is making a loss. Do you know where the trouble with this company lies? Do you know which department to tighten and which department to expand to bring in more profits? I tell you who to blame, the CEO in charge of running this company, for he is directly responsible for all the hiccups.
You should learn to fire live rounds instead of blanks.
Mau, he is here with a pure evil motive to shut people's mouth from talking negatively about his beloved idol master PAP. Anyone who does not agree with the way of PAP, he just does not hesitate to whack.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:show
Nobody forces you to read my posts. Any way, you are not welcome to read my posts because you are an asshole who have serious mood swings problems. To this problem you are having I think whatever you post in this forum are just crap. You are consider a b.i.t.c.hy man. If you choose to intentionally find fault, nobody is going to stop you but you will reap what you sow.
I have nothing against you, it is you who have started your evil ways and bitchiness towards me. Fuck off from reading my posts for my posts are not meant to be read by evil assholes like you, b.i.t.chy man, a man who behaves so guniang with the serious mood swings. U are a disgrace to men, b.i.t.c.h .
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Oh man.....temptation to reply to a troll is such a sin!
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Originally posted by Atobe:
It seems that the huge amount of my words is in contrast to the little amount that showed your closed minded position - without anyone having the benefit of knowing how you arrive at your preferred ''Point_blank'' position.
You could start by taking the easiest or simplest of my seeming diatribe and ranting to give your ''Point_blank'' honest reply - if you are capable of achieving it ?
Are you not interpreting the expertise of the Ruling Party in tugging at the heartstrings of Singaporeans - when they cannot or refuse to respond to the political or economic events that affect Singaporeans ?
You must be in a constant state of denial, or prefer to turn a blind eye in reading the specifics in my reply to each and every one of your points, which if they are not already blank would have received a stronger counter post from you.
Unfortunately, your ''Point_blank'' approach remain ''pointless and blank''.
In a country where the Laws are interpreted differently for the governed and the government, can anyone survive in a Political Court that is more interested in upholding the interest of the Government ?
Even when the Privy Council was chosen to be an overseer of the standards of the implementation of the Laws by the Singapore Judiciary, it was made an irrelevant subject overnight when it pronounced a decision that was not in favor of LKY's government.
Under such a political environment, can anyone survive the Judicial Processes that is ''tightly managed'' by the Ruling Political Party ?
What justice do you have to pursue when you have resorted to denial of facts, and prefer to indulge in half-truths and complete falsehood ?
What more can anyone expect from one who prefer to indulge in lies and falsehood - like the shark in the water - and you will sully the good creation of the duck and its feather ?
Singapore is already a living nightmare for the Middle-income group, and paradise only for those who allow themselves their Million Dollar Wages without any consultation of the Citizens in any Referendum - and those FT earning their million dollar wages with low tax incentives.
Have you not heard the many solutions that have been offered by so many in this Speaker's Corner ?
Where have you been, or were you stuck at some intersection staring at some blank points to gain your inspiration to be 'Point_blank' ?
Can you cope with solutions that have been offered before and will you advocate a lowering of the cost of living for Singaporeans - by having a reduction in the high petroleum tax, which is no longer valid to control the car population size when COE limit the number of cars available to Singaporeans ?
Similarly, this Government should decide in favor of either the ERP to be used as the single and total traffic management system, or rid Singaporeans from the burdensome Import and Road Tax system to manage traffic - as presently, Singaporeans are burdened with a multiple layer of government traffic management charges that resulted in the present high cost of living made worst by global events.
Will you advocate that this Government stop handing out the billion dollar refunds from Annual Budget Surplus, and to use the Billion Dollar annual payout for a National Health Insurance Plan for all Singaporeans ? Or are you doubtful that the talent of the government cannot prevent the Public Hospitals from being dishonest to cheat the insurance scheme with overcharged services ?
Can this government be more transparent in its costings for the hospital and medical care billings, when the strong Singapore Dollar still cannot allow the Singapore medical services to provide cheap health care cost to everyone except those in the Upper Income Group ?
Will this Government consider the restructuring of land pricing to help make housing more affordable to the next generation ? At the rate tthat this Government is manipulating the market prices of land for sale, it will only continue to increase the artificially high value of land for private and public housing, as well as for industrial and commercial developments - all of which increases the Cost of Living to higher levels.
Can you honestly cope with these challenging alternative solutions, or are you only capable of achieving your infamous 'Point_blank' solutions of outright dismissal of such alternative solutions ?
At last, something new!
Only thing is, you brought out the problems. Now, where are the solutions? example:-
"Can you cope with solutions that have been offered before and will you advocate a lowering of the cost of living for Singaporeans - by having a reduction in the high petroleum tax, which is no longer valid to control the car population size when COE limit the number of cars available to Singaporeans ?"
Is one of your solution to lower cost of living is to reduce petroleum tax? Which in reality lead to more petrol consumption as it becomes cheaper, driving prices up eventually and something which governments around the world are trying to curb consumption and reliance on it?
This is only one example. I will not attempt to challenge the validity of your 'alternative solutions'. I only seek that it be a well thought out proposals, challenged by acadamics and proffesionals, before submission and not something even an Ah Beng can pluck from the air.
Nor will I attempt to play expert to comment on your 'alternative solutions'. Or even teach you what to do with such proposals when fine tuned if it can truly help the country. But one thing i will have to say is that you will not get fine tuning here in Speakers Corner. You must be nuts to think so. Ideas -yes, but fine tuning - definitely not in this annonymous zone where accountability is zero for some.
There is a responsibility to society attached to opposition political parties. My question to you is:-
a. Would you, assuming you are an opposition political party member, tossed a perfectly good solution peer reviewed by proffessionals, into the gutter if you will not get credit for it?
Or will you instead swallow such pride, un-politicised your proposals and submit for consideration, for the greater good of society, more so in these current pressing times, in the belief that should one day you gained power, there definitely would be problems that you can use to shine your party?
b. If your solutions are rejected by the administrators, will you whine and cry foul play, if such solutions had been passed through the grind mill and found wanting?
You can continue to insult me. Its ok. All i care are for answers.
PS. Think about it. I will be off for a long while.
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Originally posted by 16/f/lonely:
Oh man.....temptation to reply to a troll is such a sin!
Do you feel a need to be profane?
Have some popcorn lah.